Work colleagues

[Melanius Mullarkey]

47 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

Good opportunity to get folk sacked if they're attacking protected characteristics, specially if you've got video proof.

Bit harsh. Let’s get the facts out first.

Dont think our work are letting folk carry over holidays but the way the summer is panning out work wise, arranging everybody to get their time off (regardless of lockdown restrictions) will be a shitemare.

[BFTD]

On 06/06/2020 at 20:11, BigFatTabbyDave said:

Haven't heard from work in a while, so I guess I'm finally back in on Monday. After having my return put back a couple of times, I was fully expecting another call, but I'm going to guess that everyone's forgotten. My boss is a combination of desperate and stupidly optimistic, so you never know.

I know there's nowhere for me to work and no work to be getting on with, so I'm guessing I'll be sitting in a windowless room on my tod until somebody realises they're back to paying my wages.

I was right. On my tod for a couple of hours before someone remembered I was in and sent me home. "Maybe next week. Or the week after."

Unless I get it in writing, I'm assuming I'm off 'til the end of July, and probably longer.

[The Moonster]

On 06/06/2020 at 16:17, Mr. Alli said:

I take it you mean pre-booked to tie in with furlough? Your employer cannot force you to take a holiday. 

Everyone in my factory was forced to take two weeks holiday at the start of lockdown, I was lucky enough that some work kicked off just as that happened and I was working for all but 3 of those days, but others have basically a week's holiday left at the moment. The worst thing about that was the company said they wanted us to take holidays so we got full pay, but they could easily have furloughed us and paid us the extra 20% anyway. It was a calculated move to use peoples holidays up so that when things return to normal we're here to churn out the work.

Don't know about other employers but mine also "allocate" some holidays for you before giving you the rest of your entitlement to use. For example, my company takes the decision to close at Christmas for two weeks and they take a few days of your holiday entitlement off for this (days which are not national holidays). I've questioned them on it before and asked if I could come in during that time and use my holidays another time but I was told no. To me if they're shutting the factory, I shouldn't be using my holidays. They do the same with some other holidays too like the September weekend, but most of the time they do allow you to work those if you want to.

[NotThePars]

On 06/06/2020 at 22:58, BigFatTabbyDave said:

I'm not even on minimum fucking wage at the moment, as nobody's noticed that the recent minimum wage rise has now exceeded my pay, and I pay out £50-£100 a month in expenses that the charity refuse to cover, but I do it anyway because they'd be losing out on far more coming in if I didn't.

Sorry, this is all quite unseemly and might come off as braggadocio (or stupidity), but I don't get the opportunity to bitch about this stuff often  

 

On 07/06/2020 at 01:07, Honest_Man#1 said:

This is batshit mental.  

Either you absolutely love your work, or you’re a headcase.

 

Edited June 9, 2020 by NotThePars

[welshbairn]

On 06/06/2020 at 22:58, BigFatTabbyDave said:

The annoying thing is that you get numpties collaring you for fleecing the charity dry; some angry p***k accused me of earning £40,000-£50,000 earlier this year. I'm not even on minimum fucking wage at the moment, as nobody's noticed that the recent minimum wage rise has now exceeded my pay, and I pay out £50-£100 a month in expenses that the charity refuse to cover, but I do it anyway because they'd be losing out on far more coming in if I didn't.

Sorry, this is all quite unseemly and might come off as braggadocio (or stupidity), but I don't get the opportunity to bitch about this stuff often  

I worked for a charity fairly recently and found out they'd been stiffing the lower ranks for 3 days holiday pay p.a. for years. Forced them to sort it out which made me popular with my colleagues but unsurprisingly they decided not to renew my contract.

[Derry Alli]

46 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Everyone in my factory was forced to take two weeks holiday at the start of lockdown

That genuinely blows my mind. What exactly was the other option if they refused? 

[The Moonster]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Alli said:

That genuinely blows my mind. What exactly was the other option if they refused? 

Resign. Which nobody is going to do when half the population is being put out of work.

[Derry Alli]

1 minute ago, The Moonster said:

Resign. Which nobody is going to do when half the population is being put out of work.

Your company told you that you had to take two weeks of your holiday entitlement or quit your job? 

I'd have liked to have seen that play out in court. 

[The Moonster]

Just now, Mr. Alli said:

Your company told you that you had to take two weeks of your holiday entitlement or quit your job? 

I'd have liked to have seen that play out in court. 

They never told us to resign but they are well within their rights to tell us to take holidays, they don't have to provide any alternative solution and if you don't like it your only option is to leave.

[sugna]

5 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

They never told us to resign but they are well within their rights to tell us to take holidays, they don't have to provide any alternative solution and if you don't like it your only option is to leave.

They would generally have to give you 4 weeks' notice ahead of the first day that they wanted you to take, for a 2-week "imposed" holiday.

[The Moonster]

3 minutes ago, sugna said:

They would generally have to give you 4 weeks' notice ahead of the first day that they wanted you to take, for a 2-week "imposed" holiday.

Agreed, they acknowledged that normally they wouldn't force this at such short notice but circumstances have meant they need to. 

[Todd_is_God]

Just now, The Moonster said:

Agreed, they acknowledged that normally they wouldn't force this at such short notice but circumstances have meant they need to. 

Need to =/= can

[sugna]

What I meant was that they can't make it a matter for resignation if they don't respect the 4-week notice period. Their action would be a breach of contract.

[The Moonster]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

Need to =/= can

Regardless, I'm not in a position to be walking away from employment nor am I in a position to mount a legal challenge against them, which would likely see an end to my employment anyway.

[Smurph]

On 06/06/2020 at 20:25, mishtergrolsch said:

The manager has stated that we will be on a rotational furlough meaning I will be off again after another month but I have no idea if this is something they can do? I was under the impression you can only be furloughed once. Anyone got any idea if that's the case or not?

This is the case for me. I believe the guidance has been changed. I've been furloughed for 12 weeks now but going back to work on Friday to give some staff a well due break. Those who have been working throughout are now being put onto the furlough scheme within the next week(s), otherwise they won't be eligible at all.

I'm not sure how it works with rotational furlough, I was told that they weren't allowed to do that at the beginning but it seems that the situation has changed in the last fortnight and that's the plan with me. Work some weeks, off others.

[Todd_is_God]

5 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Regardless, I'm not in a position to be walking away from employment nor am I in a position to mount a legal challenge against them, which would likely see an end to my employment anyway.

That's fair enough.

However you should remember it.

Edited June 9, 2020 by Todd_is_God

[BFTD]

29 minutes ago, welshbairn said:

I worked for a charity fairly recently and found out they'd been stiffing the lower ranks for 3 days holiday pay p.a. for years. Forced them to sort it out which made me popular with my colleagues but unsurprisingly they decided not to renew my contract.

Most folk seem to be pretty ignorant of their entitlements at work, and I include myself in that. There's the general assumption that your employer will do the right thing but most, either through rapaciousness or laziness, absolutely won't.

We had the situation recently where an entire department of managers were tipped off that they were earning less than their subordinates. It took six months before the situation was sorted out, and only then because half the department started applying to be demoted, and it began to get embarrassing.

7 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Regardless, I'm not in a position to be walking away from employment nor am I in a position to mount a legal challenge against them, which would likely see an end to my employment anyway.

A lot of folk don't seem to realise that millions of people are in the situation where walking away from a job with a reference of "<x> worked for us for <time> and was punctual" isn't feasible. That's corporate code for "do not hire", is the minimum an employer has to say about you, and the reason why so many businesses insist on a reference from your last employer instead of people that you may have worked with for years prior.

[The Moonster]

3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

That's fair enough.

However you should remember it.

Absolutely. I've realised through all of this that I really don't care enough about my job. I studied to gain my apprenticeship and I've worked here for 14 years and put myself in a good position but if someone offered me a job in a cafe tomorrow I'd probably take it. Not saying that working in a cafe doesn't come with it's own stresses but I think I'd be in a much happier place even with a fairly substantial wage decrease. When this is over I'll be seriously considering just about any other line of work that gets me out of an office.

[Guest]

I worked for a charity fairly recently and found out they'd been stiffing the lower ranks for 3 days holiday pay p.a. for years. Forced them to sort it out which made me popular with my colleagues but unsurprisingly they decided not to renew my contract.

Guy I know is a safety auditor on offshore rigs and something similar happened. He went on done his job, pointed out the place was a death trap so they sacked him and hired a yes man, he was taking them to court but I'm not sure what the outcome was.

[Bairnardo]

Guy I know is a safety auditor on offshore rigs and something similar happened. He went on done his job, pointed out the place was a death trap so they sacked him and hired a yes man, he was taking them to court but I'm not sure what the outcome was.

Rife in oil and gas. Speaking out, especially if you are a contractor will simply result in your services no longer being required.

The disgraceful practice of NRB in all but name.

What the oil companies say they expect of you, and what they actually expect of you are at polar opposite ends of the scale and it genuinely is luck that a similar incident to Piper hasnt happened again.