Jan Vojáček Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 11 hours ago, 1320Lichtie said: Got a bad feeling for the Rovers this season. What’s happened? You guys just run out of dough? These signings all seem very risky. I was coming on to say the very same. I always like to see you guys doing well because of the amount of connections DFC have had with the club, but every time I see you announce a signing on Twitter at the moment it makes me more and more convinced that avoiding tenth will be a big ask - especially with Edinburgh City and Cowdenbeath adding some good players to their squads. A team of guys released from Alloa's youth team, and journeymen from the Juniors being lead by a guy who hasn't worked in senior football for two decades doesn't look like a recipe for success. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teekasule Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 13 hours ago, LeodhasXD said: Got a distinctly Alloa boys club feel this season. backroom team have also joined to manage the reserve team. Scott Williamson, Lewis Wilson and Graeme Liveston... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanMck Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 (edited) Jamie Watson, deary me Edited July 1, 2018 by DeanMck 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeodhasXD Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 1 hour ago, teekasule said: backroom team have also joined to manage the reserve team. Scott Williamson, Lewis Wilson and Graeme Liveston... Didnt realise that was where Graeme had gone. Explains it though 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holsten Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 How does that go reserve team Is it friendlies they play all year??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, holsten said: How does that go reserve team Is it friendlies they play all year??? Will they not be in the new Reserve league? Edited July 1, 2018 by cmontheloknow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holsten Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Just now, cmontheloknow said: Will they not be in the new Reserve league? Don't know is there Does that do away with the development league which in all honesty is a waste of time 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, holsten said: Don't know is there Does that do away with the development league which in all honesty is a waste of time As far as I know, it's a national reserve league below the big boy's one. Rovers are signing up a decent proportion of last season's U20s so I assume it's with that in mind. Edit: this story from the Cowden website highlights some issues with it and their intention to not take part: http://www.cowdenbeathfc.com/index.php?act=viewNews&id=2389 Edited July 1, 2018 by cmontheloknow 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holsten Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, cmontheloknow said: As far as I know, it's a national reserve league below the big boy's one. Rovers are signing up a decent proportion of last season's U20s so I assume it's with that in mind. Aye alloa u20s Best of luck to them as I have previously said you can only work to your budget and it must be the reason why the signings have been who they are At a stab at it the top earner will be on £100 a week tops 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 21 minutes ago, holsten said: Aye alloa u20s Best of luck to them as I have previously said you can only work to your budget and it must be the reason why the signings have been who they are At a stab at it the top earner will be on £100 a week tops 5 of their own (Gallacher, Guthrie, McCann, O'Kane, Watters) plus the 3 from Alloa. Watters and Gallacher have been in the 1st team squad a fair bit though already. I did read somewhere (may have been Lok forum when rumours were rife that we were losing 1 / 2) that the money was £50 plus bonuses. As ever, rumours to be treated with caution! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 1 hour ago, cmontheloknow said: 5 of their own (Gallacher, Guthrie, McCann, O'Kane, Watters) plus the 3 from Alloa. Watters and Gallacher have been in the 1st team squad a fair bit though already. I did read somewhere (may have been Lok forum when rumours were rife that we were losing 1 / 2) that the money was £50 plus bonuses. As ever, rumours to be treated with caution! Surely £50 p/w would be breaking the minimum wage law for someone aged 21 or over time you take in games travel and training. Even for an 18-20 year old it would be tight. Current rates are 25+ £7.83, 21-24 £7.83, 18-20 £5.90 and under 18 £4.20. Apprentice £3.70. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 10 minutes ago, cowdenbeath said: Surely £50 p/w would be breaking the minimum wage law for someone aged 21 or over time you take in games travel and training. Even for an 18-20 year old it would be tight. Current rates are 25+ £7.83, 21-24 £7.83, 18-20 £5.90 and under 18 £4.20. Apprentice £3.70. Like I said, just a rumour! There may have been travel expenses on top of that basic for all I know. And it may have been a figure plucked from someone's behind. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 1 minute ago, cmontheloknow said: Like I said, just a rumour! There may have been travel expenses on top of that basic for all I know. And it may have been a figure plucked from someone's behind. No one apart from those involved will ever know the true figure I suppose those sorts of things just grow hands and feet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 1 minute ago, cowdenbeath said: No one apart from those involved will ever know the true figure I suppose those sorts of things just grow hands and feet. It's one of those ones that you're never quite sure how to take. The rumours of Rovers being linked with some of our players came well before Wharton actually signed and there was supposed to be one other that never materialised. Players talk. Things get exaggerated as you say. Minimum wage doesn't get enforced in Juniors, but so many players outwith the top divisions are amateurs / non contract professionals and I assume it does not apply if employment is not paid...? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cowdenbeath Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 1 minute ago, cmontheloknow said: It's one of those ones that you're never quite sure how to take. The rumours of Rovers being linked with some of our players came well before Wharton actually signed and there was supposed to be one other that never materialised. Players talk. Things get exaggerated as you say. Minimum wage doesn't get enforced in Juniors, but so many players outwith the top divisions are amateurs / non contract professionals and I assume it does not apply if employment is not paid...? I know you can sign guys as amateurs but not sure about no contract professionals always thought you had to be contracted somehow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 32 minutes ago, cowdenbeath said: I know you can sign guys as amateurs but not sure about no contract professionals always thought you had to be contracted somehow. Yeah not in SPFL but its still used level 5 and below. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Accies88 Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 Hopefully we can help out with loan players. Lots of time for Albion Rovers. My first memories of the Football were kicking a ball about the Front of the main stand at Cliftonhill. And running around when we heard a cheer. Anyway good luck this season Vers . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hooper Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 2 hours ago, cowdenbeath said: Surely £50 p/w would be breaking the minimum wage law for someone aged 21 or over time you take in games travel and training. Even for an 18-20 year old it would be tight. Current rates are 25+ £7.83, 21-24 £7.83, 18-20 £5.90 and under 18 £4.20. Apprentice £3.70. Would imagine they are signing players on amateur contracts 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmontheloknow Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hooper said: Would imagine they are signing players on amateur contracts There is a complication with that though for SPFL clubs. You can only ever sign as an amateur if you have that status and a Pro can only revert to amateur status once in his career. Outwith the SPFL (i.e. Highland, Lowland, Junior etc...), the Non Contract form is used to sign Professional status players for expenses only. If Rovers were to go down the route of signing players for expenses only, they can only do that with players that have never been paid to play at any point before or are happy to use their 'one time only' revertion to amateur on a possibly short-term move to Cliftonhill. The Non Contract form has not been available to SPFL clubs for a few seasons now. Queen's Park used to use it, not sure how they get around things now as the same rules apply as above to them. Maybe the token £1 a week but where minimum wage comes in, I know not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted July 1, 2018 Share Posted July 1, 2018 There is a complication with that though for SPFL clubs. You can only ever sign as an amateur if you have that status and a Pro can only revert to amateur status once in his career. Outwith the SPFL (i.e. Highland, Lowland, Junior etc...), the Non Contract form is used to sign Professional status players for expenses only. If Rovers were to go down the route of signing players for expenses only, they can only do that with players that have never been paid to play at any point before or are happy to use their 'one time only' revertion to amateur on a possibly short-term move to Cliftonhill. The Non Contract form has not been available to SPFL clubs for a few seasons now. Queen's Park used to use it, not sure how they get around things now as the same rules apply as above to them. Maybe the token £1 a week but where minimum wage comes in, I know not.You can play as an amateur for nothing other than genuine expenses or as a pro where you must be paid minimum wage. £1 per week deals not allowed. If you are in Central Belt and you have away games at Peterhead and Elgin you might have players working then a 15 hour week at £7.83 minimum wage 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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