bob the tank Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 The fermers have arrived, just wish their Scottish equivalents had had the same passionhttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41439787 The Scottish equivalents would helping the guarda civil against the catalans 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crossbill Posted September 30, 2017 Share Posted September 30, 2017 Good luck Catalonia. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 On yerself Catalonia 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Pictures of battered and bloody pensioners being dragged away from polling stations by riot police. Reports of gunfire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 4 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Pictures of battered and bloody pensioners being dragged away from polling stations by riot police. Reports of gunfire. The Spanish government had really made a total arse of this,its not going to end well 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Rubber bullets https://twitter.com/JordiGraupera/status/914406594779205632 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 The Spanish riot police rag-dolling pensioners about the place, what a way to send a message across. They’ve fucked this up big time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 The sad thing is our government probably thinks Spain is doing nothing wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 This will now inevitably lead to Catalonia independence. The Spanish government should have just completely ignored this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 (edited) Edited October 1, 2017 by Suspect Device 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Really don't understand the way the Spanish Government have handled it. They told everyone it was illegal and the result wouldn't be recognised. At that point they should just have left them to it. Instead they have given far more legitimacy to the independence movement. Some wild scenes all over the shop in the process. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-r-cfc Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 All they've done you feel is guarantee that Catalonia will become independent eventually. Next generation of catalan are gonna be brought up on these images of Spanish police getting shipped in and shooting grannies. The majority of Catalans would have been happy with more autonomy but Spain refused to enter into any negotiations and now they've royally fucked it. No logic behind this undeniably fascist like approach. With the scenes today I don't think that can be dismissed as an extreme term to use anymore 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 Scratch the surface and nothing's changed there really. Franco would be proud today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I’d have gladly taken a rubber bullet to further the Scottish cause for independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 34 minutes ago, Ross. said: Really don't understand the way the Spanish Government have handled it. They told everyone it was illegal and the result wouldn't be recognised. At that point they should just have left them to it. Instead they have given far more legitimacy to the independence movement. Some wild scenes all over the shop in the process. It really needs to be put into Spain's historical context. Spain was a fascist dictatorship as recently as the mid seventies. There are hangovers from that in the policing and much bureaucracy there, as well as identity politics. That said, you are correct. The repercussions of a yes vote should have been left until after the referendum. It's a completely illegitimate vote, but symbolically it now represents voter repression and violence. Northern Iraq has just seen the same sort of thing, only minus the government sanctioned violence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 18 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: It would be good if rUK acted in a similar manner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 3 minutes ago, MONKMAN said: I’d have gladly taken a rubber bullet to further the Scottish cause for independence. I don't think they're using butt plugs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shades75 Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 The absolute and unrelenting rule of twitter, as I've observed numerous times, is that those who are Scottish and are arguing for the Spanish state's actions to disrupt the vote is that the profile of the person arguing for it has the same word, every time. It is as consistent now as it was during our independence referendum. "Rangers" Has a more arseholic breed ever walked the Earth? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 1 minute ago, Savage Henry said: It really needs to be put into Spain's historical context. Spain was a fascist dictatorship as recently as the mid seventies. There are hangovers from that in the policing and much bureaucracy there, as well as identity politics. That said, you are correct. The repercussions of a yes vote should have been left until after the referendum. It's a completely illegitimate vote, but symbolically it now represents voter repression and violence. Northern Iraq has just seen the same sort of thing, only minus the government sanctioned violence. Also, before the dictatorship, Spain was essentially a 20th century feudal system masquerading as a democracy whereby you voted for whom your boss / landowner to you to vote for or faced the repercussions. There was no appetite whatsoever from the ruling classes to alter this system and in fact it was calculated before "elections" in order that the correct balance of MPs from various parties were returned. In part it was the people themselves trying to break from this system that caused the civil war. Even the moderate republicans had no idea how to run a "proper" democratic state, and the fascists were left completely unchecked by Britain and France 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 1, 2017 Share Posted October 1, 2017 I'm sure these policemen will tell folk that they're only doing their job whilst banking the overtime bonuses. Nonetheless many will lie in their beds in the small hours of the morning racked with guilt about a behaviour that they realise is not defensible. It may take time to change minds and educate those used as oppressors but it does happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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