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4 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

Pictures of battered and bloody pensioners being dragged away from polling stations by riot police. Reports of gunfire.

The Spanish government had really made a total arse of this,its not going to end well

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Really don't understand the way the Spanish Government have handled it. They told everyone it was illegal and the result wouldn't be recognised. At that point they should just have left them to it. Instead they have given far more legitimacy to the independence movement. Some wild scenes all over the shop in the process.

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All they've done you feel is guarantee that Catalonia will become independent eventually. Next generation of catalan are gonna be brought up on these images of Spanish police getting shipped in and shooting grannies.

The majority of Catalans would have been happy with more autonomy but Spain refused to enter into any negotiations and now they've royally fucked it. No logic behind this undeniably fascist like approach. With the scenes today I don't think that can be dismissed as an extreme term to use anymore

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34 minutes ago, Ross. said:

Really don't understand the way the Spanish Government have handled it. They told everyone it was illegal and the result wouldn't be recognised. At that point they should just have left them to it. Instead they have given far more legitimacy to the independence movement. Some wild scenes all over the shop in the process.

It really needs to be put into Spain's historical context.  Spain was a fascist dictatorship as recently as the mid seventies.  There are hangovers from that in the policing and much bureaucracy there, as well as identity politics.  That said, you are correct.  The repercussions of a yes vote should have been left until after the referendum.  It's a completely illegitimate vote, but symbolically it now represents voter repression and violence.  Northern Iraq has just seen the same sort of thing, only minus the government sanctioned violence.

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The absolute and unrelenting rule of twitter, as I've observed numerous times, is that those who are Scottish and are arguing for the Spanish state's actions to disrupt the vote is that the profile of the person arguing for it has the same word, every time.  It is as consistent now as it was during our independence referendum. 

 

"Rangers"

 

Has a more arseholic breed ever walked the Earth?

 

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1 minute ago, Savage Henry said:

It really needs to be put into Spain's historical context.  Spain was a fascist dictatorship as recently as the mid seventies.  There are hangovers from that in the policing and much bureaucracy there, as well as identity politics.  That said, you are correct.  The repercussions of a yes vote should have been left until after the referendum.  It's a completely illegitimate vote, but symbolically it now represents voter repression and violence.  Northern Iraq has just seen the same sort of thing, only minus the government sanctioned violence.

Also, before the dictatorship, Spain was essentially a 20th century feudal system masquerading as a democracy whereby you voted for whom your boss / landowner to you to vote for or faced the repercussions. There was no appetite whatsoever from the ruling classes to alter this system and in fact it was calculated before "elections" in order that the correct balance of MPs from various parties were returned. In part it was the people themselves trying to break from this system that caused the civil war. Even the moderate republicans had no idea how to run a "proper" democratic state, and the fascists were left completely unchecked by Britain and France

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I'm sure these policemen will tell folk that they're only doing their job whilst banking the overtime bonuses.

Nonetheless many will lie in their beds in the small hours of the morning racked with guilt about a behaviour that they realise is not defensible.  It may take time to change minds and educate those used as oppressors but it does happen.

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