charger29 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Hmm. Not sure now! There is no Uefa co-efficient any more (except as a tiebreaker between teams on same points). It goes by overall ranking in the nations league. The competition is every two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 minute ago, charger29 said: There is no Uefa co-efficient any more (except as a tiebreaker between teams on same points). It goes by overall ranking in the nations league. The competition is every two years. Ok, thanks. Makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 1 hour ago, charger29 said: Some eejit thought it would be a good idea to seed the semi's but not the final. Either seed everything or seed nothing. It's just daft to do half and half. It's to help with the scheduling of travel, visas etc. The teams involved the semis are known well in advance, so it's easy to seed them so that the higher placed side gets home advantage. Semi-final A has 1v4 and semi-final B has 2v3. However, if you seed the final then you have two options: 1) The winner of semi-final A (1v4) is given home advantage in advance, since this rewards the Team 1. However, if Team 4 win, then they are given home advantage despite being lower seeded than their opponents. 2) The highest ranked team in the final is seeded (ie 1v2, 1v3, 2v4 or 3v4). However, this leaves three possible venues for the final, with no fixed plan until both semi-finals are played. Teams 2 and 3 won't know if they're home or away if they win. By drawing the final, you avoid the "unfairness" of scenario 1, since everyone is treated equally, and avoid the logistical nightmare of scenario 2. There are only two possible venues for the final, and only the two teams in the away semi-finals need to worry about making any travel arrangements. 19 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Goes on UEFA co-efficient after each World Cup. I don't think this is the case - as far as I know, the rankings are based on performance in the previous Nations League tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 6 minutes ago, craigkillie said: It's to help with the scheduling of travel, visas etc. The teams involved the semis are known well in advance, so it's easy to seed them so that the higher placed side gets home advantage. Semi-final A has 1v4 and semi-final B has 2v3. However, if you seed the final then you have two options: 1) The winner of semi-final A (1v4) is given home advantage in advance, since this rewards the Team 1. However, if Team 4 win, then they are given home advantage despite being lower seeded than their opponents. 2) The highest ranked team in the final is seeded (ie 1v2, 1v3, 2v4 or 3v4). However, this leaves three possible venues for the final, with no fixed plan until both semi-finals are played. Teams 2 and 3 won't know if they're home or away if they win. By drawing the final, you avoid the "unfairness" of scenario 1, since everyone is treated equally, and avoid the logistical nightmare of scenario 2. There are only two possible venues for the final, and only the two teams in the away semi-finals need to worry about making any travel arrangements. Cannae wait to see the SFA book all their travel before being reminded that they're either a) out of the tournament or b) already playing at home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, craigkillie said: It's to help with the scheduling of travel, visas etc. The teams involved the semis are known well in advance, so it's easy to seed them so that the higher placed side gets home advantage. Semi-final A has 1v4 and semi-final B has 2v3. By drawing the final, you avoid the "unfairness" of scenario 1, since everyone is treated equally, and avoid the logistical nightmare of scenario 2. There are only two possible venues for the final, and only the two teams in the away semi-finals need to worry about making any travel arrangements. Yeah, it makes sense with the odd NL setup and lack of dates to space internationals matches out. I suspect if Scotland didn't have the prospect of being a #1 seed, I'd be delighted with the current setup. 7 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Ok, thanks. Makes sense. I can see a bit of a yo-yo effect happening for Scotland with this draw format. Promoted from C, then play some good teams in B, relegated from B... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coooombe Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 19 minutes ago, charger29 said: Yeah, it makes sense with the odd NL setup and lack of dates to space internationals matches out. I suspect if Scotland didn't have the prospect of being a #1 seed, I'd be delighted with the current setup. I can see a bit of a yo-yo effect happening for Scotland with this draw format. Promoted from C, then play some good teams in B, relegated from B... Guaranteed a Euro playoff every 4 years in that case - suits me fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 Worst off will be the sort of sides that are probably good enough to make a dent in C but got papped out of B. They may well gain promotion again in two years time, leaving them a tougher path to Euro 2024. If we're going to be a yo-yo nation that relies on the Nations League lifeline, we could scarcely have positioned ourselves better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 26 minutes ago, forameus said: Worst off will be the sort of sides that are probably good enough to make a dent in C but got papped out of B. They may well gain promotion again in two years time, leaving them a tougher path to Euro 2024. If we're going to be a yo-yo nation that relies on the Nations League lifeline, we could scarcely have positioned ourselves better. A side in that boat may well end up still scraping into playoffs after the regular groups are done by virtue of the majority of teams in A qualifying automatically as well as a few in B. If you are going to be a yo-yo side you'd obviously much rather be starting in C for a Euro campaign though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 54 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: A side in that boat may well end up still scraping into playoffs after the regular groups are done by virtue of the majority of teams in A qualifying automatically as well as a few in B. If you are going to be a yo-yo side you'd obviously much rather be starting in C for a Euro campaign though. Very true. I'd imagine a lot of those sweating over making the playoffs in C might end up in there anyway after all's said and done. 20 teams qualify as part of the main route, and if, say, the top 20 currently ranked are the ones that go in, Slovakia, Turkey and both Irelands would fall into the playoff to replace Division A's teams, and then the 2nd tier of Division C would replace Division B. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coooombe Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, forameus said: Very true. I'd imagine a lot of those sweating over making the playoffs in C might end up in there anyway after all's said and done. 20 teams qualify as part of the main route, and if, say, the top 20 currently ranked are the ones that go in, Slovakia, Turkey and both Irelands would fall into the playoff to replace Division A's teams, and then the 2nd tier of Division C would replace Division B. I think. I think it's the other way round. In that example Slovakia Turkey and the Irelands would be in the B playoff and the C teams would go into A. Not really relevant in your example but it would be if a couple of the bigger nations failed to automatically qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 I could post up how all the groups went, but who gives a f**k?! We're top, we face Finland in March, and we'll fucking pump those Serbian/Norwegian melts in the final. Instead, let's see how qualifying next year could go, as seedings are now fixed. There are some lovely draws in there, but with Germany dropping down, there's the potential for a horrorshow. However, if you take them out of the equation, is there really anyone to truly fear in that second pot? Alex McLeish's Bottle of Something Nice Draw Poland Wales Scotland Lithuania Gibraltar San Marino Alex McLeish's Dry Weekend Draw England Germany Serbia Romania Kosovo UNL Pot Team Rank Switzerland 1 Portugal 2 Netherlands 3 England 4 Pot 1 Team Rank Belgium 5 Spain 6 France 7 Italy 8 Croatia 9 Poland 10 Pot 2 Team Rank Germany 11 Iceland 12 Bosnia and Herzegovina 13 Ukraine 14 Denmark 15 Sweden 16 Russia 17 Austria 18 Wales 19 Czech Republic 20 Pot 3 Team Rank Slovakia 21 Turkey 22 Republic of Ireland 23 Northern Ireland 24 Scotland 25 Norway 26 Serbia 27 Finland 28 Bulgaria 29 Israel 30 Pot 4 Team Rank Hungary 31 Romania 32 Greece 33 Albania 34 Montenegro 35 Cyprus 36 Estonia 37 Slovenia 38 Lithuania 39 Georgia 40 Pot 5 Team Rank Macedonia 41 Kosovo 42 Belarus 43 Luxembourg 44 Armenia 45 Azerbaijan 46 Kazakhstan 47 Moldova 48 Gibraltar 49 Faroe Islands 50 Pot 6 Team Rank Latvia 51 Liechtenstein 52 Andorra 53 Malta 54 San Marino 55 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 If we beat Finland are we at home for final too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DAVIDB69 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 How the heck are Poland top seeds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, DAVIDB69 said: How the heck are Poland top seeds Because they were in the top Nations League division. If you're in that, you're a top seed. 5 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: If we beat Finland are we at home for final too? There's a draw in a years time to decide that, so not necessarily. If we're involved, it'll be at Hampden, or in Serbia, or in Norway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 We've got a chance of avoiding Germany as we're a host of the Euro's. Only two hosts can be in the same quali group, so if England/Italy/Spain/Netherlands get Germany then we can't be in that group. Same for Denmark, Russia etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coooombe Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, charger29 said: We've got a chance of avoiding Germany as we're a host of the Euro's. Only two hosts can be in the same quali group, so if England/Italy/Spain/Netherlands get Germany then we can't be in that group. Same for Denmark, Russia etc. Let's hope for a host nation out of pot 1 then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 Basically, if we don't qualify this time, we should be towed into the North Atlantic and sunk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 4 minutes ago, Coooombe said: Let's hope for a host nation out of pot 1 then. I'd take Italy. They haven't been great for a while and will be under a lot of pressure. Would be nice to get back at them for '07 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pie Of The Month Posted November 20, 2018 Share Posted November 20, 2018 It's fairly impressive how forameus manages to f**k up near enough every one of the informative posts in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameus Posted November 20, 2018 Author Share Posted November 20, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pie Of The Month said: It's fairly impressive how forameus manages to f**k up near enough every one of the informative posts in this thread. You're mean I got Sccotland's name right, what more do you want? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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