Sweet Pete Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Are these going to be able to be tried as cases by the PF for example? If not, then all sorts of questions of motive (of the youtuber), legitimacy etc arise. If, of coyrse, they are actually building legitimate cases against sex offenders and handing them over to the authorities for them to press charges then, of course, I'm all for it. But my head says that's not what's happening here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 There was a chap round here identified on one of these operations - he had previous apparently - he hung himself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 13 minutes ago, throbber said: Almost all of the stings that you will have seen online end in conviction Pete. The full content of the chats are given to the police and then those carrying out the sting operations give evidence in court. Out of the groups I have watched doing it - Stinson hunter and Shane Brannigan were abused as kids, I’m pretty sure the woman from internet interceptors was as well from reading between the lines and the group called the Hunted one had relatives who were groomed so they have a personal attachment to what they do, most of them have donation sections on their profiles if people want to help fund them but I’m pretty sure they all work full time and do this in their spare time. I see. I bow to your superior knowledge of paedo groups. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 It's all very Daily Sport meets Brass Eye. "Paedo left with egg on face". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 32 minutes ago, Sweet Pete said: Are these going to be able to be tried as cases by the PF for example? If not, then all sorts of questions of motive (of the youtuber), legitimacy etc arise. If, of coyrse, they are actually building legitimate cases against sex offenders and handing them over to the authorities for them to press charges then, of course, I'm all for it. But my head says that's not what's happening here. That's why I was questioning what these people do for a living - they do actually build full cases against them as police would, that must be a ball ache to adhere to all of the legal stuff to ensure these folk don't walk free. On the videos by the group in Ireland called Silent Justice they have the full case work/chat logs etc. with them when they confront the paedo, they then hold them under citizens arrest until the police arrive. Police arrive, quick explanation of what's gone down, evidence handed over and paedo off to the pokey. I do tend to agree that perhaps doing a live video isn't required and leaves it open for others to show up and attack/abuse, but I think it's a good thing all things considered. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
locheedfcno1 Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 Was he alive and kicking when they caught him? [emoji867] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, The Moonster said: That's why I was questioning what these people do for a living - they do actually build full cases against them as police would, that must be a ball ache to adhere to all of the legal stuff to ensure these folk don't walk free. On the videos by the group in Ireland called Silent Justice they have the full case work/chat logs etc. with them when they confront the paedo, they then hold them under citizens arrest until the police arrive. Police arrive, quick explanation of what's gone down, evidence handed over and paedo off to the pokey. I do tend to agree that perhaps doing a live video isn't required and leaves it open for others to show up and attack/abuse, but I think it's a good thing all things considered. I heard a discussion about this shortly after the aforementioned suicide - there was an expert* on, and he said unless the legal side of things was watertight this sort of carry on could mean a prosecution is thrown out. His advice was to hand all evidence over to the police and forego the live video streaming. * I think he's an ex PSNI/Met police officer, he's definitely from NI, but I can't remember his name. I think he now runs a consultancy, he's wheeled out on Radio Ulster on a regular basis (mostly, but not exclusively, about sex abuse cases) Edited November 30, 2017 by Jacksgranda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 22 minutes ago, Sweet Pete said: It's all very Daily Sport meets Brass Eye. "Paedo left with egg on face". Mind when this seemed ridiculously over the top? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ2 Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 Wee Burney Throbber Throbber undecided at the ‘spoons bar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden_T.I.D Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 A BE A WARE-type post was shared on my Facebook feed, it was a live video of someone from Leven/Kirkcaldy being stung. He had his keys on a wee chain attached to his trousers, that was probably the most suspicious thing about him. His maw was more worried about how she was gonna get hame now that he was lifted 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smpar Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 hour ago, Sweet Pete said: Are these going to be able to be tried as cases by the PF for example? If not, then all sorts of questions of motive (of the youtuber), legitimacy etc arise. If, of coyrse, they are actually building legitimate cases against sex offenders and handing them over to the authorities for them to press charges then, of course, I'm all for it. But my head says that's not what's happening here. The Facebook pages that's popped up on my feed is called something like the Innocence Keepers. I don't know if they all do this but they use 'decoys', being young children to speak to them, they obviously make their age known pretty quickly and see if the beasts want to carry on. I don't know how they know these young people, whether they're family/close friend or whatever, but they told the paedo from Leven that one of the decoys was quite shaken and disturbed by what they had to read/see, which I find extremely uncomfortable as the kids are obviously being exposed to some pretty grotesque language, suggestions and images. Fair enough if you get some 25 year-old to pretend to be a 13 year-old girl and try and catch them out*, but if they're actually having children look at this stuff, it's not a nice thought at all. Another thing is the whole cringe-factor of it, you'll hear the paedo hunters trying to sound official and formal. One of them tried to give a disclaimer during a video saying something like, "please refrain from approaching the property or the residents inhabiting such properties", then the camera moves down to show the boy in paint-splattered trackies and Dunlop slip-on trainers. *although they wouldn't technically be doing anything illegal here, if anything the paedo hunters would be for fraud. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 4 minutes ago, smpar said: The Facebook pages that's popped up on my feed is called something like the Innocence Keepers. I don't know if they all do this but they use 'decoys', being young children to speak to them, they obviously make their age known pretty quickly and see if the beasts want to carry on. I don't know how they know these young people, whether they're family/close friend or whatever, but they told the paedo from Leven that one of the decoys was quite shaken and disturbed by what they had to read/see, which I find extremely uncomfortable as the kids are obviously being exposed to some pretty grotesque language, suggestions and images. Fair enough if you get some 25 year-old to pretend to be a 13 year-old girl and try and catch them out*, but if they're actually having children look at this stuff, it's not a nice thought at all. Another thing is the whole cringe-factor of it, you'll hear the paedo hunters trying to sound official and formal. One of them tried to give a disclaimer during a video saying something like, "please refrain from approaching the property or the residents inhabiting such properties", then the camera moves down to show the boy in paint-splattered trackies and Dunlop slip-on trainers. *although they wouldn't technically be doing anything illegal here, if anything the paedo hunters would be for fraud. Of course the "decoys" aren't children, if they were children they wouldn't be fucking decoys . The whole purpose of the exercise is to stop children being abused, why would they force children through this? If they said the decoy was shaken from the conversation then it's whichever grown man/woman was talking to him. Given that most of these folk have gonme through abuse in the past it's not a surprise that some of them get upset when dealing with these guys. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smpar Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, The Moonster said: Of course the "decoys" aren't children, if they were children they wouldn't be fucking decoys . The whole purpose of the exercise is to stop children being abused, why would they force children through this? If they said the decoy was shaken from the conversation then it's whichever grown man/woman was talking to him. Given that most of these folk have gonme through abuse in the past it's not a surprise that some of them get upset when dealing with these guys. It sounds utterly ridiculous but I'm sure they mentioned they have children involved at some point.There's a good chance I have picked it up wrong but I'm convinced they were talking about a genuine child that had been messaging them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, smpar said: It sounds utterly ridiculous but I'm sure they mentioned they have children involved at some point.There's a good chance I have picked it up wrong but I'm convinced they were talking about a genuine child that had been messaging them. I can't imagine why they would need or want to do this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonHMFC Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 There used to be an American bloke who did similar, certain it was televised over there. Being Americans it was obviously quite fucked, with some folk recognizing him straight away at the sting and shaking his hand as they were big fans of the show. Ended when they got some politician bang to rights, and he shot himself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 8 minutes ago, LondonHMFC said: There used to be an American bloke who did similar, certain it was televised over there. Being Americans it was obviously quite fucked, with some folk recognizing him straight away at the sting and shaking his hand as they were big fans of the show. Ended when they got some politician bang to rights, and he shot himself. Dateline. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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LondonHMFC Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Sweet Pete said: Dateline. To Catch A Predator. Some right seedy fuckers on there. Used to be a lot more on YouTube but most seem to have been pulled now. Edited November 30, 2017 by LondonHMFC Video 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 That was the name, aye. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 3 hours ago, The Moonster said: . On the videos by the group in Ireland called Silent Justice they have the full case work/chat logs etc. with them when they confront the paedo, they then hold them under citizens arrest until the police arrive. Police arrive, quick explanation of what's gone down, evidence handed over and paedo off to the pokey. . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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