Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 You have missed the problem with the US Senate where Alaska gets the same number of Senators as California. Yes but in terms of electoral college votes and congressional districts it has significantly less. This is the balance of it, give every state (in the US)/county(uk) the same number of senators and continue to base the main larger house on population as is done in the commons/house of representatives. Pretty basic stuff but ensures places like London dont just overrule everywhere because of population density, which imo is only one factor in political representation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 4 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Yes but in terms of electoral college votes and congressional districts it has significantly less. This is the balance of it, give every state (in the US)/county(uk) the same number of senators and continue to base the main larger house on population as is done in the commons/house of representatives. Pretty basic stuff but ensures places like London dont just overrule everywhere because of population density, which imo is only one factor in political representation. Hugely favours the rural voter though, here as well as the US, who for some reason tend to be right wing nutjobs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Hugely favours the rural voter though, here as well as the US, who for some reason tend to be right wing nutjobs.We do a relatively ok job with council boundaries though so if it was along those lines i’d be alright with that, less chance for gerrymandering etc. Theres no way to really reflect the electorate other than PR and if that’s the case what do you do? Appoint a PR candidate to a constituency or region? Its a difficult one to get entirely spot on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: We do a relatively ok job with council boundaries though so if it was along those lines i’d be alright with that, less chance for gerrymandering etc. Theres no way to really reflect the electorate other than PR and if that’s the case what do you do? Appoint a PR candidate to a constituency or region? Its a difficult one to get entirely spot on. Maybe Councillors could elect representatives for a second chamber? Could mean for a large number of independents which could be a good thing. No point in duplicating the set up for the House of Commons anyway, and the system for choosing MEP's is a proven disaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lichtgilphead Posted August 22, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted August 22, 2018 2 minutes ago, Detournement said: JC is on it https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/may/23/all-future-labour-peers-must-back-abolition-of-lords-says-corbyn Milliband was on it Labour would replace the House of Lords with an elected senate if the party won next May's general election, party leader Ed Miliband has said. Brown was on it Replace House of Lords with elected senate, urges Gordon Brown Blair was on it Blair lost interest in House of Lords reform once most of the hereditary peers had been removed, and the Conservatives no longer enjoyed a preponderance in the second chamber. John Smith died, but his widow is on it Elizabeth Smith, Baroness Smith of Gilmorehill Kinnock was on it The House of Lords must go - not be reformed, not be replaced, not be reborn in some nominated life-after-death patronage paradise, just closed down, abolished, finished. Foot was on it I think the House of Lords ought to be abolished and I don't think the best way for me to abolish it is to go there myself et al. et al. et al. All the way back to Keir Hardie and the picture in my previous post. 100 years of failure to deliver on promises. 20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 14 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Milliband was on it Labour would replace the House of Lords with an elected senate if the party won next May's general election, party leader Ed Miliband has said. Brown was on it Replace House of Lords with elected senate, urges Gordon Brown Blair was on it Blair lost interest in House of Lords reform once most of the hereditary peers had been removed, and the Conservatives no longer enjoyed a preponderance in the second chamber. John Smith died, but his widow is on it Elizabeth Smith, Baroness Smith of Gilmorehill Kinnock was on it The House of Lords must go - not be reformed, not be replaced, not be reborn in some nominated life-after-death patronage paradise, just closed down, abolished, finished. Foot was on it I think the House of Lords ought to be abolished and I don't think the best way for me to abolish it is to go there myself et al. et al. et al. All the way back to Keir Hardie and the picture in my previous post. 100 years of failure to deliver on promises. Thats a telt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 I quite like the Holyrood system of having a mix of both. I think I'd prefer if the PR system had greater numbers than the constituency MSPs but we definitely have a good system going up here including (despite the reason for it) the fact that it's designed to prevent outright majorities. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted August 22, 2018 Share Posted August 22, 2018 Milliband was on itLabour would replace the House of Lords with an elected senate if the party won next May's general election, party leader Ed Miliband has said. Brown was on itReplace House of Lords with elected senate, urges Gordon Brown Blair was on itBlair lost interest in House of Lords reform once most of the hereditary peers had been removed, and the Conservatives no longer enjoyed a preponderance in the second chamber. John Smith died, but his widow is on itElizabeth Smith, Baroness Smith of Gilmorehill Kinnock was on itThe House of Lords must go - not be reformed, not be replaced, not be reborn in some nominated life-after-death patronage paradise, just closed down, abolished, finished. Foot was on itI think the House of Lords ought to be abolished and I don't think the best way for me to abolish it is to go there myself et al. et al. et al. All the way back to Keir Hardie and the picture in my previous post. 100 years of failure to deliver on promises. Post of the day. Well played sir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 10 hours ago, lichtgilphead said: Milliband was on it Labour would replace the House of Lords with an elected senate if the party won next May's general election, party leader Ed Miliband has said. Brown was on it Replace House of Lords with elected senate, urges Gordon Brown Blair was on it Blair lost interest in House of Lords reform once most of the hereditary peers had been removed, and the Conservatives no longer enjoyed a preponderance in the second chamber. John Smith died, but his widow is on it Elizabeth Smith, Baroness Smith of Gilmorehill Kinnock was on it The House of Lords must go - not be reformed, not be replaced, not be reborn in some nominated life-after-death patronage paradise, just closed down, abolished, finished. Foot was on it I think the House of Lords ought to be abolished and I don't think the best way for me to abolish it is to go there myself et al. et al. et al. All the way back to Keir Hardie and the picture in my previous post. 100 years of failure to deliver on promises. Superb! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 14 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Zero chance of any meaningful constitutional reform unless we get independence lads. The Tories will go all in to oppose any change, while Labour and the Lib Dem dafties have promised much but delivered little. (Excluding Holyrood) Totally Agree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 14 hours ago, Detournement said: You have missed the problem with the US Senate where Alaska gets the same number of Senators as California. As does Vermont with 100,000 less of a population than Alaska. Others are Rhode Island and Maine with similar populations of around 1.3 million compared to California's39.5 million. The clue to this senatorial state population imbalance is in the country's title The United States of America, where territories which came under the US banner were granted equal democratic congressional rights, Texas for example was ruled by the French, Spanish and Mexicans up until the Mexican - American war, it then became the state we know today with it's two senators. This completely differs from the US election Electoral Vote which has total priority over the popular vote as witnessed in the Trump Election where Clinton garnered two million more popular votes. The electoral votes are based on each States population count so California has 55 electoral votes compared to Alaska's 3 votes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 At least the are starting to be held to account for their bullshitting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Oh my. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 Oh my. That’s too obvious, surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: That’s too obvious, surely? The "you should of apologies" line kind of feels like natural goblinspeak, so I wouldn't be surprised. Edited August 23, 2018 by Thistle_do_nicely 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Savage Henry said: That’s too obvious, surely? Nope - tweet deleted because headline purpose was mistaken by said tweeter. Outstanding though lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted August 23, 2018 Share Posted August 23, 2018 There was a cerebral chap on this morning (Scotland) and he was interviewed on the gender pay fiscal deficit gifted to Glasgow Council by history*. The interviewee was clever enough not to take the bait of agreeing with the interviewer that there is a scandal / crisis / morale at an all time low event. The disappointment in the studio was palpable when they realised that they were being deprived of their headline for the next top of the hour bulletin. There's bias and there is also formulaic tabloid journalism. I fear that, like hearing "so" at the start of a sentence, I can never unhear it. BBC Radio Scotland should set their sights higher than this daily churn. * Labour 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 I heard an extended interview on BBC last week about baby boxes. Wow. Words can't describe. Just an absolute hit piece, clearly rehearsed, scripted, completely unprofessional, zero balance. Just an all out assault of SNP bad. It was with somebody called Audrey Dempsey. I've not checked but knew at the time she will be a labour activist. Would be willing to bet my life savings on it. Astonishingly brazen and completely unprofessional hit piece on a benign, beneficial and universally popular policy just to hurt the SNP. Genuinely breathtaking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted August 23, 2018 Author Share Posted August 23, 2018 I mean I was actually laughing out loud it was so bad. The interviewer leading her, chipping them up for her to smash out of the park, clearly rehearsed. If you think the BBC does journalism you're a fucking moron. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted August 24, 2018 Share Posted August 24, 2018 This Jacob Rees-Mogg that is criticising Hammond for suggesting there will be an economic downturn for up to 15 years following Brexit - is he the same Jacob Rees Mogg who said a couple of weeks ago that we won't know the benefits of Brexit for 50 years? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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