North Terrace Gazza Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 MacKenzie should not be starting any games now with the depth of squad we have 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, BukyOHare said: I was at the reserve fame on Thursday night at Stenhousemuir and if you didn't know it, you'd think Tomi was at his wildly inconsistent best. Never caused the opposition any problems throughout his time on the pitch. A 6-1 defeat with a strong team for the occasion, probably sums up how we did as a team on the night. Keep him on the bench for now. Ashford more than played his part on Wednesday night. I’m not remotely bothered how he played in a reserve game, the day after he was ragdolling Kilmarnock’s defence all over the place tbh. I can’t recall the last time an Ayr United substitute had that sort of impact - he has earned his start and Ashford can play out wide. He transformed us as a side on Wednesday, and dragged us up the park. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, No_Problemo said: I’m not remotely bothered how he played in a reserve game, the day after he was ragdolling Kilmarnock’s defence all over the place tbh. I can’t recall the last time an Ayr United substitute had that sort of impact - he has earned his start and Ashford can play out wide. He transformed us as a side on Wednesday, and dragged us up the park. You should be, his inconsistencies are a huge part of the problem. Wednesday night is the first time we've actually seen him "ragdolling" anybody. Let's see more than a 25 minute cameo to decide he's earned a start. Ashford's mobility and application can cause as many problems for the opposition. Another performance off the bench like Wednesday night and I'd be then inclined to start him but not based on one fairytale performance. It sends him and the team the wrong message, just my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just now, BukyOHare said: You should be, his inconsistencies are a huge part of the problem. Wednesday night is the first time we've actually seen him "ragdolling" anybody. Let's see more than a 25 minute cameo to decide he's earned a start. Ashford's mobility and application can cause as many problems for the opposition. Another performance off the bench like Wednesday night and I'd be then inclined to start him but not based on one fairytale performance. It sends him and the team the wrong message, just my opinion. It sends him the wrong message, if he comes on and performs that you then get to start? No one cares about some diddy reserve game, the night after an adrenaline sapping encounter. I’ve seen him ragdolling defenders on several occasions this season, albeit in amongst other quieter performances. It quite simply isn’t true to suggest that Wednesday was the first time he has done it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 I dont know why this seems difficult for some of our fans but Adeloye is our best player. If you want to win football matches you start your best players. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Trogdor said: Adeloye is our best player He isn't. Goals cloud people's judgement clearly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BukyOHare Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, No_Problemo said: It sends him the wrong message, if he comes on and performs that you then get to start? Based on one sub appearance? It absolutely sends the wrong message. Especially when Ashford has been more than fine. He holds the ball up better and has better movement off the ball. Pretty important when we now have midfielders capable of picking passes and getting beyond the striker. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, BukyOHare said: He isn't. Goals cloud people's judgement clearly. We'll agree to disagree. You play to his strengths. Shelling long balls at him when he's the only player in the opposition half isn't how you do it. Then moaning that he isn't chasing lost causes. There are far more egregious examples of poor play in our team but because those particular players are seen to run about they get a pass. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BukyOHare said: Based on one sub appearance? It absolutely sends the wrong message. Especially when Ashford has been more than fine. He holds the ball up better and has better movement off the ball. Pretty important when we now have midfielders capable of picking passes and getting beyond the striker. It’s based on far more than on one sub appearance, and regardless it was an exceptional one. Apart from him not holding the ball up anything like as well on Wednesday night, and the midfielders only properly got going once Tomi came on. You can’t even attempt to claim that Ashford did those things better on Wednesday. Regardless, I’m not advocating dropping Ashford either. Edited February 13, 2022 by No_Problemo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 Based on one sub appearance? It absolutely sends the wrong message. Especially when Ashford has been more than fine. He holds the ball up better and has better movement off the ball. Pretty important when we now have midfielders capable of picking passes and getting beyond the striker. Hmm I don’t think he necessarily holds it up better. That’s not his game. He’s a runner more than anything and I don’t think he necessarily needs to be played as a striker to play well. Adeloye holds the ball up but doesn’t move as much as Ashford. I think based on the Killie game you have to try both with Adeloye up front and Ashford playing on the right and then either McKenzie or Maxwell on the left. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Problemo Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 minute ago, D'Jaffo said: Hmm I don’t think he necessarily holds it up better. That’s not his game. He’s a runner more than anything and I don’t think he necessarily needs to be played as a striker to play well. Adeloye holds the ball up but doesn’t move as much as Ashford. I think based on the Killie game you have to try both with Adeloye up front and Ashford playing on the right and then either McKenzie or Maxwell on the left. The only other thing I would add is that while Ashford’s work rate is exceptional, it often left us without a focal point up front as he was all over the place. I think playing him off the left/right could work well (I’m sure we were told by someone he played out wide for Crawley?) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D'Jaffo Posted February 13, 2022 Author Share Posted February 13, 2022 I’ve long maintained that Adeloye doesn’t do enough off the ball for me. I’m not calling him lazy but he doesn’t press centre backs enough nor does anticipate runs. He likes the ball into his feet. The trouble is that up until this point we haven’t had players get close to him. We now have McInroy and Dempsey who like to get forward. I would argue that Ashford will do enough running for the both of them and be a better option to link up with compared to McKenzie, Gondoh, O’Connor or Maxwell. I think the two can complement each other quite nicely as they are both very different players. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 13 minutes ago, D'Jaffo said: I think the two can complement each other quite nicely as they are both very different players. ^This. I think they'd work well together. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eez-eh Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 “If you discount the goals he isn’t that good actually” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 38 minutes ago, BukyOHare said: He isn't. Goals cloud people's judgement clearly. Isn't the whole point of football to score goals? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 15 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said: Isn't the whole point of football to score goals? Jim Duffy didn't seem to understand that either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhursty7 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 One of these games Tommi is going to do a Glyyn Hurst and score 5 you can criticise his work rate if you want, take issue with his attitude if you think he has one but he's the best striker we have had since shankland left, if the last half an hour on Wednesday is any indication of waht he can do when motivated and playing to his strengths not just shelling it to him I'm looking forward to see how he kicks on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BukyOHare Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Richey Edwards said: Isn't the whole point of football to score goals? Its not the whole point though is it? To keep them out is equally important. How many times do you watch a live match and the guy who scores the only goal of the game gets the man of the match award? Even if he deserves it or not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 8 hours ago, Ayr23 said: https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/ayrshire/ayr-united-set-up-long-26216924 Very interesting to read what Glendinning's job looks like day to day. It all sounds very promising, particularly the part about hopefully being able to sign players from abroad next season. Just need to stay up! https://www.gov.uk/uk-visa-sponsorship-employers/apply-for-your-licence 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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