Benjamin_Nevis Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 I noticed vodka was a couple of quid dearer yesterday. Obviously I immediately contacted a local "businessman" and purchased some crack cocaine instead. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Khaki Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 In any case, the Scottish Government has made some attempts at addressing Scotland's drugs problem, but has been thwarted by a totally indifferent Westminster Government that still insists on reserving the relevant legislation. That being the case, I'm still unsure how drugs deaths are related to, or a reflection of the outcome of a minimum alcohol pricing law. Seems very much to me that without the minimum pricing bill, we'd still be looking at an increase in drugs deaths, increased alcohol consumption, and in increase in alcohol related issues as compared to the current reality. I thought people might have realised in the years after the public smoking ban that sometimes governments stepping in and taking choice out of irresponsible peoples' hands does actually result in seeing the intended beneficial effects. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 11, 2020 Share Posted June 11, 2020 I assume millions of Scots are still going on booze cruises to Berwick to get marginally cheaper bevvy?That's H_B - oh wait - he's going to go to London to get pissed if they open up the boozers down south before us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Latest news on this is a 10% drop in alcohol specific deaths in Scotland in the first year since the introduction of MUP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, Wee Bully said: Latest news on this is a 10% drop in alcohol specific deaths in Scotland in the first year since the introduction of MUP. Sturgeon must condemn etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 39 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Sturgeon must condemn etc Yup. We are now seeing a slight increase in people dying from everything else! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 6 minutes ago, Fullerene said: Yup. We are now seeing a slight increase in people dying from everything else! Sales of alcohol based hand cleanser have gone through the roof! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Fullerene said: Yup. We are now seeing a slight increase in people dying from everything else! Look forward to a story about how the SNP are doing this on purpose 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 27 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Look forward to a story about how the SNP are doing this on purpose You do realise I am joking. If you stop people dying of one thing then there will obviously be an increase on everything else. Statistically speaking that is! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Fullerene said: You do realise I am joking. If you stop people dying of one thing then there will obviously be an increase on everything else. Statistically speaking that is! Yes I was just carrying it on under the theme of how folk will find a way to slate the SNP for this... How about... "STURGE'S BOOZE HIKE HELPS CANCER TOP SHAMEFUL DEATH LEAGUE" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Yes I was just carrying it on under the theme of how folk will find a way to slate the SNP for this... How about... "STURGE'S BOOZE HIKE HELPS CANCER TOP SHAMEFUL DEATH LEAGUE" "Chronic alcoholic recovers from addiction and goes on crime spree across the country! The latest." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 42 minutes ago, Fullerene said: You do realise I am joking. If you stop people dying of one thing then there will obviously be an increase on everything else. Statistically speaking that is! I used to like telling people during the second hand smoke hysteria before the ban that it was much safer to drive if you were a smoker. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted August 18, 2021 Author Share Posted August 18, 2021 This is back in the news. Yesterday it was reported that alcohol related deaths shot up last year (I wonder why). Straight away the lobbyists were at the media saying that the 50p unit rate needed to increase. It isn't the answer. There was an alcoholic on the radio this morning talking about it and said that it made no difference. Her brother - also an alcoholic - simply bought less food or electricity to keep drinking the same amount. Wealthier people can just absorb the cost. The minister was on radio yesterday saying that the policy had been a dazzling success. This blip was just lockdown. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted August 18, 2021 Share Posted August 18, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, scottsdad said: This is back in the news. Yesterday it was reported that alcohol related deaths shot up last year (I wonder why). Straight away the lobbyists were at the media saying that the 50p unit rate needed to increase. It isn't the answer. There was an alcoholic on the radio this morning talking about it and said that it made no difference. Her brother - also an alcoholic - simply bought less food or electricity to keep drinking the same amount. Wealthier people can just absorb the cost. The minister was on radio yesterday saying that the policy had been a dazzling success. This blip was just lockdown. Was this a Scottish minister? I am guessing so as it has been obvious that the lockdowns were having adverse effects on people's health, both in terms of obesity, alcohol and drugs. Never mind though we managed to stop Covid. Just image how bad it would be if we had all these lockdowns and a year and a half later it was still rampant in the country. But let's not forget our more caring SNP government have only done this to keep you safe. Let's toast them with non-alcoholic champagne. Edited August 18, 2021 by strichener 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 11 hours ago, strichener said: Was this a Scottish minister? I am guessing so as it has been obvious that the lockdowns were having adverse effects on people's health, both in terms of obesity, alcohol and drugs. Never mind though we managed to stop Covid. Just image how bad it would be if we had all these lockdowns and a year and a half later it was still rampant in the country. But let's not forget our more caring SNP government have only done this to keep you safe. Let's toast them with non-alcoholic champagne. I'm not convinced that the lockdown had much of a direct impact on consumption levels for drink and drugs, but rather the removal of rehab options made it far harder for those who needed intervention and treatment to receive it. For obesity the evidence is waddling around us on a daily basis though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted August 19, 2021 Share Posted August 19, 2021 9 hours ago, virginton said: I'm not convinced that the lockdown had much of a direct impact on consumption levels for drink and drugs, but rather the removal of rehab options made it far harder for those who needed intervention and treatment to receive it. Why did alcohol deaths go down in the previous year then? "The number of alcohol-specific deaths has decreased by 10%, from 1,136 in 2018 to 1,020 in 2019," https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/news/2020/alcohol-deaths-decrease 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 16 hours ago, Baxter Parp said: Why did alcohol deaths go down in the previous year then? "The number of alcohol-specific deaths has decreased by 10%, from 1,136 in 2018 to 1,020 in 2019," https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/news/2020/alcohol-deaths-decrease Could be a blip but more likely the price increase has only had a short term effect? Alkies will find a way. Problem drinkers will adjust over time. The Scottish government will call for a higher minimum price or more draconian measures. And we'll keep on drinking. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 If you make drink too expensive does it not sometimes push people to buying stronger alcohol content to get value for money 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, BigDoddyKane said: If you make drink too expensive does it not sometimes push people to buying stronger alcohol content to get value for money The MPU is already based upon the alcohol content. 500 ml of 4% beer = 2 units = £1.00 minimum price 200 ml of 10% cider/wine = 2 units = £1.00 minimum price 50 ml of 40% whisky = 2 units = £1.00 minimum price If you want to buy the cheapest available product, there's no price advantage in buying drink with a higher ABV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted August 20, 2021 Share Posted August 20, 2021 48 minutes ago, BigDoddyKane said: If you make drink too expensive does it not sometimes push people to buying stronger alcohol content to get value for money I do tend to buy wine on price and strength. I buy beer on strength and taste. Houblon Chouffe is my favourite beer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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