Savage Henry Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Now I know why Fife came up with the world ranking system!https://www.fifa.com/fifa-world-ranking/ranking-table/men/index.html Claim to fame that. I’m guess Dunfermline is number one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppino Impastato Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: At the moment they are at a similar standing. England got caught out by having the same arrogant attitude. Iceland just got a draw with Argentina. Can you see Scotland doing this at a major tournament any time soon? Nope. I could certainly see us beating Iceland. And similar level? England are second rate but still miles and miles better than Iceland. It's almost as if the best team doesn't always win, or football would be a very easy game to bet on. Do Iceland's players play at a similar level to England's btw? If not why not? Are they just allergic to money? Do they hate the idea of playing champions league football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I thought we were debating Scotland vs Iceland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Whilst undoubtably we are a bigger football nation than many of the wc competing teams in terms of numbers, infrastrucure, support and finance...we are rubbish the noo! There are reasons for that. You can only presume that for a long time we have either suffered really bad luck.....or more likely we have had a bit of bad luck combined with really poor management in a football and business organisational sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Claim to fame that. I’m guess Dunfermline is number one? Sadly, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 I think Pep is clearly over-egging how good we are, we’re currently no better than Iceland. However, if you’re going to start claiming Iceland are on a par with England (who stroll qualification almost every single time) because of a one off game against them, and a decent result against a poor Argentina team then you’re wrong. If that’s the case then we’re on a par with England, seeing as we were seconds from beating them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Watchin Belgium rip tunisia the now......its easy to forget they were in the doldrums no that long ago. Worse than us!!! Obviously we are no where near them with regards the current teams, but in terms of "footballing nations" we are probably on a par with them. They obviously have a great generation that has come through, but a full national squad of talented players did not appear by accident. We should be looking at what they did with their youth and coaching setups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Yes. They are well managed. Scotland are not. If you have the Scotland's squad to Iceland they'd be pissing their pants. Solution seems obvious. Sign the Icelandic management team up. Possibly train in Iceland too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Watchin Belgium rip tunisia the now......its easy to forget they were in the doldrums no that long ago. Worse than us!!! Obviously we are no where near them with regards the current teams, but in terms of "footballing nations" we are probably on a par with them. They obviously have a great generation that has come through, but a full national squad of talented players did not appear by accident. We should be looking at what they did with their youth and coaching setups. Think Tank! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afca32 Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 How dim to you have to be to argue with Pep ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrie Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Looking at out national squad, how many of our players would get into these "diddy teams"? Tierney and Robertson are the only obvious ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 hours ago, Honest_Man#1 said: I absolutely hate the way Scots are with the constant negativity. I like it. I also think it's fallacious to suggest it's a feature in how poorly we perform. And it's infinitely preferable to its mouthy opposite, as evidenced on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Looking at out national squad, how many of our players would get into these "diddy teams"? Tierney and Robertson are the only obvious ones. Aye, we are totally sorted at left back for the next few years. Just need to sort the other ten positions and we’ll definitely qualify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 3 minutes ago, Comrie said: Looking at out national squad, how many of our players would get into these "diddy teams"? Tierney and Robertson are the only obvious ones. As a supporter of one of the 'pish, vastly overrted African sides' (Nigeria), I'd take Robertson/Tierney, Armstrong or McGregor and any of your keepers for our first XI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 18 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said: Watchin Belgium rip tunisia the now......its easy to forget they were in the doldrums no that long ago. Worse than us!!! Obviously we are no where near them with regards the current teams, but in terms of "footballing nations" we are probably on a par with them. They obviously have a great generation that has come through, but a full national squad of talented players did not appear by accident. We should be looking at what they did with their youth and coaching setups. Proper management of the game in your country makes all the difference. Spain are a great example too. Before Euro 2008, they were seen as "chronic underachievers". Despite their league and having some great individuals, they never really performed at tournaments. Once the Spanish FA sorted themselves out, they finally started performing and they won 3 major tournaments in a row. Now, I'm not saying Scotland can do that. Due to the size of the country, Spain will obviously stay miles ahead of Scotland. But if the SFA finally start getting their act together and the domestic game gets run better, it can have a great effect on the national team and can at least mean that Scotland will qualify for major tournaments again once in a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 22 minutes ago, Scary Bear said: Think Tank! Bollocks. The Belgian govt got involved after wc 1998. In agreement with their FA, they took control of youth coaching away from individual clubs and schools. A standardised system of coaching was introduced. No reason our govt could not step in, shake up the roasters in the SFA and get our game back on track. From the millenium, all Begian youth players have been taught to play 433, with an emphasis placed on touch, control and dribbling. There is no real competitive element introduced until the kids are in their mid teens. What has emerged is scores of players who are comfortable in possession, imaginative and unafraid. We are lucky if we have 2 or 3. Martens point is valid in that its about being organised and having everyone on the same wavelength. We need something similar to get the game away from some of the absolute dullards in the sfa and who coach at club level here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted June 23, 2018 Author Share Posted June 23, 2018 Once 'colt' teams are introduced we'll soon be qualifying regularly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 16 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: Once 'colt' teams are introduced we'll soon be qualifying regularly... The World Cup needs a strong Rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 2 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: There is no real competitive element introduced until the kids are in their mid teens. This. Every time it's mentioned in Scotland everyone blows a gasket. I was shite at football, but I played youth level rugby. Even at U18 we would play everyone in our area home and away, but results weren't recorded and you didn't know how any other team had done. As a result there was no league table. There were no cup competitions either. Every fourth week there was no game and it was a skills week - no fitness work, just handling skills. Every substitute had to play a minimum of a third of the match. All of the coaches were licensed. It's even better now, especially for the better players, through the four national academies. Scotland punches way, way above its weight in rugby. We have fewer players than Italy and we shouldn't be on the same planet as Ireland and Wales, never mind England or France. You learn technique as young as you can, because you can't learn it when you're older, then you learn the rest later. So many people in youth football in Scotland (including parents and players) are hell-bent on not learning anything from anyone else. Same is true across the UK, and it's why England are by far - by far - the biggest underachievers among the major footballing nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 23, 2018 Share Posted June 23, 2018 Scotland results v non-European teams since 2000: Argentina 0-1 Australia 0-2, 3-1 Brazil 0-2 Canada 3-1, 1-1 Costa Rica 0-1 Japan 0-0, 0-2 Mexico 0-1 New Zealand 1-1 Nigeria 1-2, 2-2 Peru 0-2 Qatar 1-0 South Africa 0-2, 1-0 South Korea 1-4 Trinidad & Tobago 4-1 USA 1-1, 1-5, 0-0 22 matches, 5 wins. Two against weak North American teams; one against a weak African; one against a weak Asian; and one against a middling Asian. Of the teams we beat only one made it to Russia and most were hosed. No, we don't get to talk about belonging at a World Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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