DA Baracus Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 11 minutes ago, TheScarf said: Some utter losers on this forum want this mob to run Holyrood too. On that topic, they said yesterday that they'd bin free tuition, and would look at doing likewise with things like prescriptions, should they get in to power in Hollyrood. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 4 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: On that topic, they said yesterday that they'd bin free tuition, and would look at doing likewise with things like prescriptions, should they get in to power in Hollyrood. The 'I'm alright Jack'/'I never got free education or prescriptions when I was young so why should anyone else?' mob that make up 95% of Tory and Labour voters will be lapping that up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Stewart Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 hours ago, JS_FFC said: There are a few ways to interpret the current state of the Labour party 1) Starmer is just a power hungry populist who is going to tell the swing voters what they want to hear now and will do the same in government to maximise his chance of a second term. 2) Starmer is ideologically centre-right and none of what he’s doing now is a tactic, he just genuinely believes that these Tory lite policies are what the country needs. 3) The whole thing is a facade to get elected and once in government Starmer will pursue more centre-left type policies. 1 and 2 aren’t really mutually exclusive and there’s no practical difference between them. I think many of us are hoping for 3 but it seems highly unlikely at this point. 3 You can chuck the notion of 2 also. Industry plant Starms has no ideologies, no principles, no ideas, he's an establishment selection to provide "continuity Tory" when the Tory's have gone too insane and gotten to the point of complete and utter unelectability. Went to a private school, went to Oxford, Private Prosecutions Director, Head of the CPS, then an MP. A CV, along with oath breaking and history of lies that screams "Tory Party member". Who better to appease the likes of Murdoch and Rothmere at the right wing rags, who will in turn tell the English populace what to think. He's the Interim caretaker until people have forgotten how fucking mental this most recent iteration of Tory Britain has been and they can start voting for them for another decade. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 The Guardian did some vox pops from the weirdos in Dover. Quote Alwyn Conway, 80, agreed that Elphicke had done “good work” in the area, and shared Hewer’s apprehension about a Labour government. While he felt it was a matter of “the devil and the deep blue sea”, he added that “with the Conservatives you know where you are. It might be out of the frying pan and into the fire”. Quote His wife, Carol Conway, 79, said: “We don’t want Labour to run the country. It’s gone to the dogs. I’m shocked that she’s done that.” https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/09/i-understand-why-she-moved-dover-voters-on-natalie-elphicke-switching-parties The country has gone to the dogs (under the Tories) so don't vote Labour. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Rider Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, DA Baracus said: On that topic, they said yesterday that they'd bin free tuition, and would look at doing likewise with things like prescriptions, should they get in to power in Hollyrood. Don't level up, level down. Imagine voting for this in Scotland? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 1 hour ago, DA Baracus said: On that topic, they said yesterday that they'd bin free tuition, and would look at doing likewise with things like prescriptions, should they get in to power in Hollyrood. Do you have a source for that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 49 minutes ago, KirkieRR said: Do you have a source for that? That's well known. Kezia Dugdale ranted about free prescriptions and free education being 'Tory policy'. years ago when leader. She's on about it again. https://labourlist.org/2024/05/scotland-scottish-labour-holyrood-elections-2026-kezia-dugdale/ Edited May 9 by Crùbag 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Alt-right Starmer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 11 hours ago, SlipperyP said: Time to merge this thread with the Tory one. 10 hours ago, BFTD said: The Tory one's handy for pointing out the evil they do now, and the even more abhorrent things they're chomping at the bit to do in the future. Labour haven't had the chance yet, but give them time. They'll get pretty desperate to sate the public's bloodlust in 2029, with Patel/Braverman/Badenoch promising lynchings in the street for being unBRITTISH! Could rename the threads, Change the Tory one to - Government Arseholes Change the Labour one to - Shadow Scumbags, Then when the GE happens all the characters move around but where the grifters and chancers in power are stays the same and where the wannabes willing to say and change anything to get into power are. All as interchangeable as everything else about the lot of them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BFTD Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 It's interesting to consider if there are actually any sitting MPs who Sir Keef wouldn't welcome with open arms. I mention him specifically, as it seems not everyone in the Labour camp appears to be happy with Elphicke's switch, and he rules with the iron fist that Labour voters tend to be so displeased about seeing in other parties. Would 30p Lee have been welcomed back to the Labour ranks if he hadn't fancied being a big fish over at REFUK? I'm guessing probably yes, on the understanding that he wound his neck in a bit, which is the only reason he became a problem for the Conservative Party; not his professed views, but the fact that he wouldn't stop using them to self-promote. 3 hours ago, scottsdad said: The Guardian did some vox pops from the weirdos in Dover. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/09/i-understand-why-she-moved-dover-voters-on-natalie-elphicke-switching-parties The country has gone to the dogs (under the Tories) so don't vote Labour. That entire piece is, in one form or another, "look at these utter fuckwits". A 39-year-old woman claiming she didn't know an MP could move from one party to another. An elderly woman claiming "imergants haf taken are culture", whatever that means, and considers Sir Keef "too woke", whatever that means, despite agreeing with Conservative policy on just about everything. Another elderly woman blaming Labour for the state of the country after fourteen years of Conservative government, like the eejits in the Red Wall areas who decided that voting for the greater of two evils would somehow solve their problems. I'd like to think the Grauniad were pushing an anti-democracy agenda and had only picked the most nonsensical responses, but I dunno. I've had conversations inflicted upon me by people who parrot illogical nonsense like this; how many are just smart enough to keep it to themselves? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Starmer will take anyone unless they espouse left wing views. If they're closer to Corbyn or Abbott than they are to Richard Tice then they can gtf. He's an absolute charlatan. The remarkable thing is that people like Braverman are getting away with the stuff from the "Trump Big Book of Utter Horse Shite". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 13 minutes ago, HTG said: Starmer will take anyone unless they espouse left wing views. If they're closer to Corbyn or Abbott than they are to Richard Tice then they can gtf. He's an absolute charlatan. The remarkable thing is that people like Braverman are getting away with the stuff from the "Trump Big Book of Utter Horse Shite". Of course, I forgot the left-wingers. Having them in the party would be a bad look in front of the hang-'em-and-flog-'em electorate. So that's Corbyn and Abbott on the "no thanks" list. Any others? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 15 hours ago, JS_FFC said: She isn’t standing Quote However, Elphicke is due to take on an unpaid role with the party working on housing policy. “We have talked about her doing a role building on her experience in housing policy,” the spokesperson said. She's getting a chance to stay on the grift! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 Labour now giving mixed messages on whether they would welcome Nigel Farage into the party FFS! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 21 minutes ago, btb said: She's getting a chance to stay on the grift! Elphicke angling for a seat in the House of Lards apparently. Mind you, Labour vowed to abolish that a century ago... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 The folk saying 'don't vote for the Labour because they are blue tories' remind me a lot of the 'vote for brexit because it makes independence more likely' guys 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arch Stanton Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 2 minutes ago, sparky88 said: The folk saying 'don't vote for the Labour because they are blue tories' remind me a lot of the 'vote for brexit because it makes independence more likely' guys The Tories are the blue Tories. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 3 minutes ago, sparky88 said: the 'vote for brexit because it makes independence more likely' guys Who were they? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 (edited) 22 minutes ago, KirkieRR said: Who were they? @Granny Danger He loves this being pointed out. Edit: 1 hour ago, Crùbag said: Labour now giving mixed messages on whether they would welcome Nigel Farage into the party FFS! I reckon they could've done wonders for Hitler's image. After all, it was the National Socialist German Workers' Party, as the fascists like to point out when it's temporarily inconvenient to own him. Maybe a bit too left-wing for Sir Keef, though. Edited May 9 by BFTD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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