MazzyStar Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 25 minutes ago, Highlandmagar said: Confirming they are nothing but a right wing mob. Aren’t you literally a blairite? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 4 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: Elphicke voted for restrictions on Trade Union activities as well all her other horrible anti-migrant, anti-environmental, anti-civil liberty voting record. How can an MP who wouldn't pass vetting to stand for a party defect to them. I'm not really sure which of those would bar her from being a Labour candidate TBH. Are they still sticking to their principles on the environment? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 "Labour" Foulkes will be pishing himself with delight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 I feel sorry for Dover Labour Party who probably have volumes of material about the useless sitting Tory MP they will be glad to see the back of and now they are told she is joining their team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 A Liz Truss supporter sees Labour as her new home... Quote Mrs Elphicke, who supported Liz Truss in the 2022 Tory leadership contest, was on the right of the Conservative Party and a member of the Brexit-backing European Research Group. Sir Keir's decision to welcome her to Labour has come in for criticism from some on the left of his party, particularly as Diane Abbott and Jeremy Corbyn remain suspended from the Parliamentary Labour Party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Really tough to see what’s to gain from Labour accepting these outgoing MPs. I can understand it in the case of Christian Wakeford where you have a first time incumbent red wall MP who is locally popular and is probably more likely to win them the seat than another candidate, but the last two make little sense to me. If I was in charge of Labour right now, I’d only be accepting these people if they publicly announced they they’d seen the light, renounced their own voting record and the Tory policies in general, and committed to backing progressive initiatives going forward. Something tells me Sir Beer Korma won’t be applying that level of scrutiny. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 If you don't think Natalie Elphicke will advance the class struggle, you're possibly not understanding social democracy correctly from a Marxist viewpoint. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 None of this makes sense to me. A net gain of two votes in a dying Parliament, so what? What does it say about the principles of Labour to welcome a right-wing Tory in to their ranks? How will this play with Labour's committed base? Why is she joining a party that shares virtually no common ground (theoretically) with her own politics. And why, if she's so unhappy with Sunak's policies, didn't she head for her natural home in Reform UK? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 The devil’s advocate view. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marten Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 4 minutes ago, JS_FFC said: The devil’s advocate view. This would be a valid point for any Tories who are on the "one nation" wing of the party. Not for ones firmly on the right of the party... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 3 hours ago, PogoStick said: Easily. Grifter. How can that party revel in it though is the more pertinent question. Obviously they are appealing to the Tory voter but they’ve lost sight of how it looks to everybody else. Those photos of Starmer beaming sitting down with her (complete with Union Flag behind him…) are fecking odious. Will sound hyperbolic but honestly sickened me. Nathalie Elphicke joining Labour isn't going to make a single person not want to GTTO who did before. Its an entirely pragmatic decision on thr part of Starmer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, HTG said: Foulkes will be pishing himself. FTFY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 RIP The Labour Party 1900-2024 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 6 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: RIP The Labour Party 1900-2024 Were you asleep from 1997-2008? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 17 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: Were you asleep from 1997-2008? It wasn't dead - it was in a coma. Edited May 8 by DeeTillEhDeh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 15 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: Were you asleep from 1997-2008? Blair's party still had room for Tam Dalyell, Robin Cook and of course Jeremy Corbyn. They look positively socialist compared to Starmer and his right wing coalition. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thane of Cawdor Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 1 hour ago, sparky88 said: Nathalie Elphicke joining Labour isn't going to make a single person not want to GTTO who did before. Its an entirely pragmatic decision on thr part of Starmer. I think the first bit is true. However, there are other options than Starmer's Labour e,g, Liberal Democrats who may despise Elphicke's politics. And I can't see her apparent endorsement of Starmer as a vote winner for Labour in any context. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Taking a wee step back, this is both very weird and very good for Labour in England. Weird because she should have gone to Reform. They only have to put up with her till the election (she is not standing again) but she is really not Labour in any sense. She is utterly out of place. Good because the morons who actually decide elections, those right wingers across England but have three brain cells to rub together, will read into this "our woman, gone Labour" and might actually not slavishly vote for the blue rosette this time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 57 minutes ago, HTG said: Blair's party still had room for Tam Dalyell, Robin Cook and of course Jeremy Corbyn. They look positively socialist compared to Starmer and his right wing coalition. This is revisionism I’m afraid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkieRR Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 Seems her main point is that Labour are more likely to 'stop the boats'. Again this dehumanising of the victims. Boats not people. Mind you, Labour's main criticism of the Rwanda farce is that it'll be an expensive flop (true: probably already is), not that it's inhuman. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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