BFTD Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 8 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Hopkins permabanned from twitter. Mind they said the same about zerohedge and he's back. @Bigmouth Strikes Again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 13 minutes ago, BigFatTabbyDave said: @Bigmouth Strikes Again WTF has this got to do with me, Fatty? Thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said: WTF has this got to do with me, Fatty? Thank you. Always interested on your views when a far-right nogoodnik is shitcanned from a media platform. Also, I think they banned her for saying that your cat is a fanny. Shocking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 WTF has this got to do with me, Fatty?Morrisey’s first draft of a soon to be Post Modern Classic tune left a lot to be desired. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 hours ago, BigFatTabbyDave said: Always interested on your views when a far-right nogoodnik is shitcanned from a media platform. Worse than North Korea m8. Thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Asked repeatedly to say 'Black lives matter,' Mike Pence says 'all lives matter' https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/19/politics/mike-pence-black-lives-matter-all-lives-matter/index.html Uh-huh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Why is this happening now? Not complaining, just noticed Reddit and YouTube purging all the especially unsavoury elements of their website. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 It's good to also see Twitch finally clamp down of far right streamers. https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/29/21307145/twitch-donald-trump-ban-campaign-account 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 7 hours ago, NotThePars said: Why is this happening now? Not complaining, just noticed Reddit and YouTube purging all the especially unsavoury elements of their website. Could be connected with the big boys pulling their advertising from Facebook. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 hours ago, MixuFruit said: How long do you suppose this has been going on? I mean internet based radicalisation of white men in general, would it be about the last 10 years that it's been a serious problem? I'm trying to figure out if the demographics are altering as whenever I see footage of proud boys or whatever it seems to me like they're mostly moving into their late 20s and 30s. The statue defenders by comparison seem to be dominated more by baldy Phil Mitchell shaped racist men who pre-date reddit etc. with only a smattering of younger guys. Tom Harwood types are probably quite a small minority now I'd guess, so is there a generational thing going on? Am I being too optimistic to think todays 20 year old guys are mostly looking at these people and seeing them as the tragic cases that they are & this is going some way to explain why there's this movement to get them all to f**k? Think Trump specifically was a galvanising factor since these groups saw, and believed they were responsible for, their guy getting elected to the most powerful office on earth. Re that last question there's a whole generation of downwardly mobile young men who feel less and less of a stake in society and I don't think that's going to change. Ofc it's the case that more and more people in general have less of a stake in society and every opportunity to address that is being closed off so it's probably gonna get worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Wilkos Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I don't agree with these people who are being banned, but I don't take pleasure in seeing free speech supressed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 I don't agree with these people who are being banned, but I don't take pleasure in seeing free speech supressed.But there are rules on those platforms. There is also very little in the way of free speech without consequence anywhere in the world. It's an easy thing to say but what actually is "free speech"? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 This charity shop Poor Tommy's been trying to get banned for the last month, it's become a mark of kudos for rightwing fruitloops. https://twitter.com/DawkinsReturns 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Steve_Wilkos said: I don't agree with these people who are being banned, but I don't take pleasure in seeing free speech supressed. We’ve never had free speech here. Try going out onto your nearest high street and telling everyone who passes that your boss is a rapist and see how free your speech is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Antlion said: We’ve never had free speech here. Try going out onto your nearest high street and telling everyone who passes that your boss is a rapist and see how free your speech is. There's a difference between Breach of the Peace/causing fear and alarm and Free Speech. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Tutankhamen said: There's a difference between Breach of the Peace/causing fear and alarm and Free Speech. f**k you ya Amun worshipping Egyptian c**t. See, censored... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, Tutankhamen said: There's a difference between Breach of the Peace/causing fear and alarm and Free Speech. And free speech is what we’ve never had. The UK has some of the strictest libel and slander laws in the world. Injunctions and super injunctions can be taken out to prevent certain things being said publicly or written about. A whole raft of laws cover the arts (dictating what can be shown in cinemas and on TV). There are laws protecting religions and races. As soon as anyone starts grumbling about “free speech”, they need to be directed to any history of UK and English censorship, libel law, and licensing. They’re essentially whining about losing something that had literally never existed on these islands. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Antlion said: We’ve never had free speech here. Try going out onto your nearest high street and telling everyone who passes that your boss is a rapist and see how free your speech is. Defamation is not a criminal breach so you’d need to cause fear or alarm through your actions - then it’s breach of the peace. Difficult to say whether that behaviour would, but it is mighty oddball so it is arguable. Nothing to stop your boss suing you and the onus of proof would be on you but it’s difficult to see why defaming people without proof of your allegations should be unchallengeable or uncompensatable. Edited June 30, 2020 by The OP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, The OP said: Defamation is not a criminal breach so you’d need to cause fear or alarm through your actions - then it’s breach of the peace. Difficult to say whether that behaviour would, but it is mighty oddball so it is arguable. Nothing to stop your boss suing you and the onus of proof would be on you but it’s difficult to see why defaming people without proof of your allegations should be unchallengeable or uncompensatable. Not criminal, but civil. Go out and say whatever you like about people and you’re likely to find yourself sued for it under civil law if not arrested for causing a breach of the peace (depending on what you’re saying). As far as I know, no one has argued for “free speech” in the UK, but rather for freedom of expression (particularly political expression). To argue as though we’re a people who are having our once inalienable right to free speech eroded is disingenuous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Antlion said: Not criminal, but civil. Go out and say whatever you like about people and you’re likely to find yourself sued for it under civil law if not arrested for causing a breach of the peace (depending on what you’re saying). As far as I know, no one has argued for “free speech” in the UK, but rather for freedom of expression (particularly political expression). To argue as though we’re a people who are having our once inalienable right to free speech eroded is disingenuous. Yes of course various human rights are balanced by other rights. If we had an absolute right to liberty there’d be no prisons, if we had absolute freedom of assembly trespassing wouldn’t be a thing and if the right to a private life was unrestricted there would be no newspapers or criminal investigations (and conversely if we had complete freedom of the press no one would have the right to a private life). Just because the right to freedom of speech is limited to prevent harm to others doesn’t mean we don’t have it. It strikes me as a specious point you are making. Edited June 30, 2020 by The OP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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