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There seems to be some uncertainty over whether Clarke wants only OF games off or all Premiership games (how many non-OF Scottish-based players will be likely to play v Israel?); and whether he wants a blank weekend or just no games on Sunday (which while gaining an extra day's rest is hardly a massive difference?). Different media outlets report it differently. There seems to be no suggestion of asking EPL or EFL clubs to postpone their games, or not play on Sunday.

It's an interesting situation as it turned out very badly for SPL (as was) last time, which was in 2007.

They cancelled OF games weekend before Scotland v Italy but Scotland lost anyway. In due course they also agreed to postpone a Rangers game weekend before big CL match (which Rangers lost anyway)... and Rangers reached UEFA Cup Final... and had some replays in the Scottish Cup... and suffered a few postponements plus a cancellation due to Phil O'Donnell's death. Ultimately they had to extend the league season into the midweek before Scottish Cup Final and Rangers finished season Sat-Mon-Thu-Sat.


This is Celtic's current potential schedule:

Sat date     Weekend     Midweek
Jan 18         SC R4            Prem (21)
Jan 25         Prem (22)     Prem (23)
Feb 1           Prem (24)     Prem (25)
Feb 8           SC R5            Prem (26)
Feb 15        Prem (27)      EL R1:1
Feb 22        Prem (28)      EL R1:2
Feb 29        SC R6             Prem (29)
Mar 7          Prem (30)       EL R2:1
Mar 14       Prem (31)       EL R2:2
Mar 21       Prem (32)       INT BREAK
Mar 28       INT BREAK   INT BREAK
Apr 4          Prem (33)       EL QF:1
Apr 11       SC SF              EL QF:2
Apr 18       Top 6 (34)       Free date
Apr 25       Top 6 (35)       EL SF:1
May 2        Top 6 (36)       EL SF:2
May 9        SC Final          Top 6 (37)
May 16     Top 6 (38)
May 23                                 EL Final

So if they progress in EL and Scottish Cup... when will Premiership match #32 be played if it is cancelled due to Clarke's request? Particularly if there are any weather postponements, or if Celtic or their opponents have any Scottish Cup replays?

For example if St Johnstone - being Celtic's opponents on March 21st - remain close to reaching Top 6 that game must  be played before the 'split' in mid-April.

Similarly if Kilmarnock and/or St Johnstone - their opponents on consecutive midweeks in January - have Scottish Cup replays which would take precedence.


This in turn begs the question why - given Scottish Cup Final is May 9th - the Premiership season is finishing May 16th.

French, Italian, Spanish, leagues etc. are finishing May 23rd which also sees the German, Greek, English, Portuguese, Romanian, Serbian, Swiss etc. cup finals.

Finishing early has effectively wiped-out 2 free dates.

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1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said:

This in turn begs the question why - given Scottish Cup Final is May 9th - the Premiership season is finishing May 16th.

French, Italian, Spanish, leagues etc. are finishing May 23rd which also sees the German, Greek, English, Portuguese, Romanian, Serbian, Swiss etc. cup finals.

Finishing early has effectively wiped-out 2 free dates.

I take it somebody important was wanting away on their holibobs early.

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Who knows.

Perhaps the solution is giving Clarke a choice - does he want extra rest before the playoffs, or before the finals?


EDIT: Incidentally - how would:

Thursday 7th May     EL SF 2nd leg
Saturday 9th May     Scottish Cup Final


work?

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14 minutes ago, HibeeJibee said:

Who knows.

Perhaps the solution is giving Clarke a choice - does he want extra rest before the playoffs, or before the finals?


EDIT: Incidentally - how would:

Thursday 7th May     EL SF 2nd leg
Saturday 9th May     Scottish Cup Final


work?

Both should be the answer

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1 minute ago, accies1874 said:

How many teams would we potentially be taking more than one player from?

Definitely Celtic, probably Sheffield United, maybe Wigan, maybe Killie, maybe Aberdeen? Anyone else?

Called-up during last 12 months;

6    Celtic                                    Taylor, McGregor, Christie, Forrest, Morgan          Bain
3    Kilmarnock                        O'Donnell, Brophy                                                                Findlay
2    Aberdeen / Hearts        McKenna, Devlin / Naismith                                           / Souttar

3    Sheffield Wednesday
2    Norwich, Sheffield Utd, Sunderland, Wigan

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1 hour ago, craigkillie said:

The Scottish Cup final is earlier this season to get Hampden ready for the Euros.

Which if we qualify we'll play at

A once in a lifetime opportunity

Any advantage we can get should be given

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1 hour ago, craigkillie said:

The Scottish Cup final is earlier this season to get Hampden ready for the Euros.

Correct, it's May 9th. (Some other venues are not being made to finish early - e.g. Wembley - but there it is).

However this means Premiership season ends after it anyway: there are games on the following midweek and on May 16th/17th. So with many other countries finishing on May 23rd could that not be an option if Celtic say they can't accept a cancellation as it stands?

You can understand their concern given 2008 outcome, winnable ties with Partick and Copenhagen, and no free midweeks before the split if reach EL QFs (and none whatsoever if reach EL SFs).

 

2 hours ago, Binos said:

Both should be the answer

So if you're cancelling games on March 21st, and ending before other leagues on May 16th: when do you play St Johnstone v Celtic? Even without factoring any postponements / replays.

Obviously you could gamble on them exiting EL before latter stages - but if not you could find another crisis like 2008 with an OF title race and forcing Celtic to play 2 games in 1 midweek.

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1 hour ago, HibeeJibee said:

Correct, it's May 9th. (Some other venues are not being made to finish early - e.g. Wembley - but there it is).

However this means Premiership season ends after it anyway: there are games on the following midweek and on May 16th/17th. So with many other countries finishing on May 23rd could that not be an option if Celtic say they can't accept a cancellation as it stands?

You can understand their concern given 2008 outcome, winnable ties with Partick and Copenhagen, and no free midweeks before the split if reach EL QFs (and none whatsoever if reach EL SFs).

 

So if you're cancelling games on March 21st, and ending before other leagues on May 16th: when do you play St Johnstone v Celtic? Even without factoring any postponements / replays.

Obviously you could gamble on them exiting EL before latter stages - but if not you could find another crisis like 2008 with an OF title race and forcing Celtic to play 2 games in 1 midweek.

Who gives a f**k when you play it

Virtually meaningless fixture as almost a walkover

Sure Celtic will play full strength team in it anyway

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While I don't agree with it, I can see where Celtic are coming from (if the story is real).  International football matters far, far less than club football now to most people that matter.  Celtic would benefit indirectly from Scotland making it to a major tournament, of course they would, but given it's hardly certain that them supporting this would lead to that, they have to look after themselves.  Particularly if, as they'll presumably be hoping, they end up with a few more European games.  Sad but true.  

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Surely they aren't considering just cancelling OF games?

You either cancel Premiership games that weekend or you don't. Do Rangers even have anyone other than Jack in the squad?

I'd be in favour of cancelling anyway, this is such a big thing for football in this country that it needs to be given every opportunity.

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I don't see the point in cancelling games to be honest - the players based in England are going to have to play anyway so it doesn't have any obvious benefit to the whole squad. In addition, it's unlikely that anyone other than Celtic will have more than one player featuring heavily. It's also not even clear whether there would be a benefit to it - on both previous occasions where games have been called off (Scotland v Italy, Rangers v Lyon), the Scottish side has ended up losing. Maybe they would have lost anyway, or maybe the lack of sharpness actually counted against them.

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On ‎11‎/‎01‎/‎2020 at 11:50, come on shire said:

I went to the Nation's League game vs Israel and they were handing out pro-Palestine flyers. When I informed them that a chunk of Israel's squad were Arabs they didn't have an answer...

They were probably just completely flummoxed at encountering someone who thinks that Behram Kayal's inclusion in his international football team is a viable defence against a "flagrant violation of international law".

What bearing do you think one has on the other?  Do you understand that it wasn't planned as a protest against the football team?

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On ‎11‎/‎01‎/‎2020 at 11:50, come on shire said:

I went to the Nation's League game vs Israel and they were handing out pro-Palestine flyers. When I informed them that a chunk of Israel's squad were Arabs they didn't have an answer...

Who were "they" out of interest?

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