It's getting hot in here!

[101]

20 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

This will only happen when those at the top deem it necessary

And let's be honest they will only deem it necessary when it hits them in the pocket. Will be interesting to see the penalities for missing targets set at the COP meetings. It would seriously focus China's mind if exports were banned to all other signatories should they fail to get their arse in gear.

[Detournement]

7 minutes ago, 101 said:

And let's be honest they will only deem it necessary when it hits them in the pocket. Will be interesting to see the penalities for missing targets set at the COP meetings. It would seriously focus China's mind if exports were banned to all other signatories should they fail to get their arse in gear.

The living standards of the population of the western world have been massively propped up by the value created by the Chinese working class being transferred west in unequal exchanges for the last 30 years. 

That is inevitably going to reduce as China and other developing nations grow but if the West cut out China there would be an economic meltdown here. 

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Buying plastic shite from China isn’t helping.

You might think An entire Polyester suit for £10 from Asda looks smart and is a bargain but it’s really not.

[101]

20 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The living standards of the population of the western world have been massively propped up by the value created by the Chinese working class being transferred west in unequal exchanges for the last 30 years. 

That is inevitably going to reduce as China and other developing nations grow but if the West cut out China there would be an economic meltdown here. 

Economic meltdown you can recover from. That obviously ignores the humans aspect that it would kill millions globally but as things get worse these decisions about economics over climate get harder

[Detournement]

How hundreds of millions of people in the west are going to be forced to consume less will be the major issue of the next 20 years. 

Governments obviously know this unsustainable yet it's impossible to directly address due to electoral politics. 

Edited August 9, 2021 by Detournement

[Miguel Sanchez]

4 minutes ago, Detournement said:

How hundreds of millions of people in the west are going to be forced to consume less will be the major issue of the next 20 years. 

Governments obviously know this unsustainable yet it's impossible to directly address due to electoral politics. 

Population of California: 40,000,000

Population of Kosovo: 2,000,000

I don't know how the world hasn't exploded already

[Detournement]

9 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said:

Population of California: 40,000,000

Population of Kosovo: 2,000,000

I don't know how the world hasn't exploded already

California's televisions alone use more energy than all of Kosovo. 

Californians playing computer games uses almost three times as much energy as all of Kosovo. 

That's a staggering comparison. 

[welshbairn]

I think we can take it from this that it won't all be sorted by banning executive and private jets, and some of us without jacuzzies will have to make some personal sacrifices as well.

[Torpar]

I try not to contribute too much to climate change but some days you have to run two air conditioning units at once because other people don't care

[101]

$300 billion to stop climate change for 20 years seems like an absolute steal. Especially when America alone has spent $2.26 trillion in 20 years on a war in the middle East that even before they pull out completely has basically gone back to how it was in 2001.

 https://time.com/5709100/halt-climate-change-300-billion/

[Hedgecutter]

Saw the weather forecast on TV earlier saying they're predicting temperatures up to 47 ^oC  in parts of Spain this coming weekend.  F***.  That.

[Detournement]

 

Crazy.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

 

Crazy.

The previous record for Europe accepted by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) is 48.0°C from Athens in 1977.


Climate change deniers will be all over this.

[Detournement]

3 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

The previous record for Europe accepted by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) is 48.0°C from Athens in 1977.


Climate change deniers will be all over this.

Aye but it also says that many consider the reading to be faulty. 

 

[GordonS]

11 hours ago, 101 said:

$300 billion to stop climate change for 20 years seems like an absolute steal. Especially when America alone has spent $2.26 trillion in 20 years on a war in the middle East that even before they pull out completely has basically gone back to how it was in 2001.

 https://time.com/5709100/halt-climate-change-300-billion/

A one-off tax of 90% on everything over a billion that US dollar billionaires own would raise $5.3 trillion. American billionaires have added $1.3 trillion to their wealth since the start of the pandemic alone.

We could end extreme poverty, stop climate change, restore every damaged ecosystem, house everyone and still have money left over for chips and ginger. And every billionaire would still have at least a billion dollars.

[Detournement]

There is no liquidity for that it's a nonsense idea. 

[Left Back]

7 hours ago, GordonS said:

A one-off tax of 90% on everything over a billion that US dollar billionaires own would raise $5.3 trillion. American billionaires have added $1.3 trillion to their wealth since the start of the pandemic alone.

We could end extreme poverty, stop climate change, restore every damaged ecosystem, house everyone and still have money left over for chips and ginger. And every billionaire would still have at least a billion dollars.

Harsh.  How would they fund their private space ships after that?

[101]

25 minutes ago, Detournement said:

There is no liquidity for that it's a nonsense idea. 

I would go slightly less than 90% as world wide it would be fine. 

I think 33% would do it and these billionaires are used to seeing chunks of wealth disappear such is the nature of the stock exchange.

[vikingTON]

15 hours ago, Detournement said:

Aye but it also says that many consider the reading to be faulty. 

 

There was a second reading from Greece that matched it on the same day; the national records for Spain, Portugal and Italy are/were all 47C so it is hardly an outlier. 

'Southern Europe gets roasting in a heatwave' is not the sudden game-changing event that some would have you believe. 

[DiegoDiego]

We could end extreme poverty, stop climate change, restore every damaged ecosystem, house everyone

If you think all of those are solvable by chucking cash at them you're in for a surprise.

If you think any country would raise that sort of tax revenue and use it mainly for those purposes then you're in for a second surprise.