coprolite Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, renton said: Mathematics is the language of science, intrinsically linked. There is some debate as to whether it is a science in it's own right or not based on the basis of requiring "proof" of a principle vs. empirical evidence. The standard Climate change models - the General Circulation Models (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_circulation_model) - try to describe the interaction of energy and matter in different areas of the atmosphere and ocean. They break up the world model into small cells and solve for the appropriate physics for each cell, using the result of each cell to influence the initial conditions of it's neighbours in an interative, convergent statistical process. The model is then influenced by the complexity of the physics modelled in each cell, and the size of cell relative to the world (i.e. the model resolution:> http://eo.ucar.edu/staff/rrussell/climate/modeling/climate_model_resolution.html). So, you need physicists and chemists to describe the thermodynamics, fluid dynamic responses as well as the changes in local chemistry for each cell for a great number of global and local inputs. You need computer scientists (who are not "IT" as you put it - computer science concerns itself with the construction of computers and programs, IT with the maintenance of those systems) to generate the necessary code based on the equations provided from the physicists and who will work alongside pure mathematicians and statisticians to make sure the model is stable and convergent over it's range of inputs. The model is then run against real world data at different time points to make sure it can replicate faithfully an existing, known set of empirical data for the climate before it is used for any future predictive modelling. Pfft. They just make it up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 19 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I’d just started a new job in 1976 working as a storeman in an engineering company. The store had an upper level with skylights that had to be painted with white emulsion to make it possible to work there. BTW I’m older than 50. I was 9. The summer in Scotland wasn't even close so we got excited about a 2 week holiday in London. First week was glorious, second week the heavens opened. I'm 87 you know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Did anyone else have rain this morning ? Yes, a few brief showers. It's remained cloudy all day. I think the severe heat is further east. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Mind when we hoped Maggie Thatcher burned in hell? They've started the fire too late. (She's still doonstair though.) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 Away from Britain having a hot couple of days Australia have published a report on their dreadful climate action which is only getting worse. With more coal mines about to open it's not exactly going to be easy to recover quickly. https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/19/australia/australia-climate-change-environment-report-intl-hnk/index.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Couple of sunny days and the media goes into a tizzy. Appreciate that climate change is a real issue which needs to be tackled, but for this week just enjoy the sun 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Spoiler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 38 minutes ago, dorlomin said: I’ve lost track - is this a “minter” for the Met Office or not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 23 minutes ago, Newbornbairn said: I was 9. The summer in Scotland wasn't even close so we got excited about a 2 week holiday in London. First week was glorious, second week the heavens opened. I'm 87 you know. If you were 9 in 1976 then you can’t be 87. Even I know that and my capacity with numbers can sometimes be askew. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 1 hour ago, coprolite said: I didn't say the model could explain things, i said it could account for them. ...by punching in the guesswork they need to eventually churn out the 'correct' answer. So completely meaningless in actually explaining why sudden climactic shifts occurred in the past (a skill that is not actually needed to explain the current phenomenon - but advocate scientists pushed that envelope to 'debunk' sceptics, using bad science to do so). Quote Fortunately most people working with models understand their limitations and how to use them in science. You must have been living in a cave for the past few years then, because that's really not how the interaction between 'The Science' and public policy is playing out at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) These 'scientists' and their shan models predicted a 50% chance it would NOT reach 40c and it (provisionally) has. Sick of these so called experts. Do they ever get anything right? Edited July 19, 2022 by Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: I’ve lost track - is this a “minter” for the Met Office or not? #weatheraware is definitely a minter, tbf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 11 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: If you were 9 in 1976 then you can’t be 87. Even I know that and my capacity with numbers can sometimes be askew. I refuse to accept your reality. #agedenialist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorongil Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Aw naw! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Just now, Newbornbairn said: I refuse to accept your reality. #agedenialist Well I’m not an expert… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, virginton said: ...by punching in the guesswork they need to eventually churn out the 'correct' answer. So completely meaningless in actually explaining why sudden climactic shifts occurred in the past (a skill that is not actually needed to explain the current phenomenon - but advocate scientists pushed that envelope to 'debunk' sceptics, using bad science to do so). You must have been living in a cave for the past few years then, because that's really not how the interaction between 'The Science' and public policy is playing out at all. The ability to explain sudden shifts in the past can help test assumptions and relationships between variables within the model and is an integral part of actually calibrating the models. Getting effective vaccines out within two years of a new disrase showing up has really shown scientists up to be incompetent buffoons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) Sky just showed helicopter coverage of houses on fire next to a grass fire in Dartford, Kent. Looks hellish. Or it could be Essex.. They're not quite sure....? Not sure if it's houses (yet) but it looks like buildings of some sort. Edited July 19, 2022 by Salt n Vinegar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 The covid/ military/weather experts will be saying sun tan lotion is not to be used shortly as it will probably kill you and here's some horse tranquilizer that should be used instead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, doulikefish said: The covid/ military/weather experts will be saying sun tan lotion is not to be used shortly as it will probably kill you and here's some horse tranquilizer that should be used instead Nah, what you want are bleach injections*. That'll sort it out** (* - no, you really don't) (** - no, it really won't) (*&** - additional clarification for Tory voters and other right wingers ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Sean Batty is a minterman A minterman, a minterman Sean Batty is a minterman He talks a lot of pish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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