Florentine_Pogen Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/nov/17/boris-johnson-verbal-incontinence-scottish-devolution-huge-boost-for-nicola-sturgeon "Those comments will not just be bookmarked, but will be printed repeatedly on Scottish National party election leaflets in next May’s Holyrood election; they will be quoted in SNP political broadcasts, parliamentary debates and, said Sturgeon, every time that a Tory minister or MP insists they respect devolution." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Fuckin hell, comments section on the bbc article are delicious! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Paco said: I suppose it’s also worth saying that ‘Tony Blair’s biggest mistake’ in the eyes of Boris Johnson was not the Iraq War, but granting Scotland a democratic referendum on whether or not it wants decisions on Scotland to be made in Scotland. That decision itself was made in Scotland - not by Tony Blair. Boris knows that he can’t criticise the Iraq War because it’s on record that he consistently voted in favour of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 7 hours ago, doulikefish said: They really are thick This... this is serious. It's not a pisstake. Dearie me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Vote Green on the list. They’re pro-Indy and have the added bonus of not being utter c***s.Absolutely no issue with this, but they must stand on a referendum manifesto. Also this must be driven home by media. I'm sick of the media only saying SNP = IndependenceJust an edit... Say SNP get 48% of seats and Greens 12%. The media should plaster a 60% wish for a referendum, but they won't. They will peddle the 48% bullshit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 34 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: This... this is serious. It's not a pisstake. Dearie me. It's right up there with this gem 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 It's right up there with this gem [emoji184] He's such a piss stained no mark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 hours ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: The comments aren't a mistake, they were calculated. Johnson and the tories are fully aware that the status quo is untenable. They're just milking the situation for all it's worth and trying to paint Labour into a corner on the constitution. Mmmmm. 1. Johnson knows what he’s doing and says something deliberately. 2. Johnson is a useless cùnt who doesn’t have a clue what he’s doing and misspeaks. On the balance of probability (and past experience) I’m going with 2. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Aren’t the SNP centralisers lol? That’s like the one criticism of them that I’ve seen supporters argue is actually good. Decentralising from Westminster - I agree that there needs to be further decentralised power from Holyrood as well - but that is not an argument against Devolution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I'm of the opinion that Boris and his team put the Devo statement out to gauge reaction in Scotland. Not all leaks are mistakes.To make DRoss look good the cynic might think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Nicola needs to ensure this referendum is called whilst Boris Johnson is in office. I honestly can't see less than 50% voting yes due to him alone. Also SNP will get around 52% of constituency vote next May. In a FPTP system that would garnish around 95% of seats. However it may not be enough under our system. The media would spin this so badly. We really need to be smart with the List vote, I would be completely in favour for the independence party of Scotland to be on list. There is an independent party on the list.It's called the Scottish Greens.Even I, not a fan of the Greens, will vote for them on the list. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, MixuFruit said: it reminds me of some of the fact checking website attacks on Bernie Sanders last year where he'd be like "500,000 people go bankrupt because of their medical bills each year" and they'd go "HAHA WRONG LIAR FAKE NEWS it's actually 550,000" I remember Trump trying a gotcha on Michelle Obama for giving the wrong Covid death toll in a speech, which was higher than she said as her speech was recorded. You could see him doing an internal "doh!" after he said it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: There is an independent party on the list. It's called the Scottish Greens. Even I, not a fan of the Greens, will vote for them on the list. Presumably it depends what seat you're in whether it's best to vote SNP/Green or SNP/SNP? I saw a tactical voting blog (that I can't find) that broke it down, and for Inverness it was SNP/SNP. I don't pretend to fully understand it, but maybe if you're expecting a stonking SNP majority for the constituency vote, then SNP/Green, and if you think it might be close SNP/SNP? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 There is an independent party on the list. It's called the Scottish Greens. Even I, not a fan of the Greens, will vote for them on the list. I know that but I popped a post up earlier about perception and biased media. See below Absolutely no issue with this, but they must stand on a referendum manifesto. Also this must be driven home by media. I'm sick of the media only saying SNP = IndependenceJust an edit... Say SNP get 48% of seats and Greens 12%. The media should plaster a 60% wish for a referendum, but they won't. They will peddle the 48% bullshit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I know that but I popped a post up earlier about perception and biased media. See below Absolutely no issue with this, but they must stand on a referendum manifesto. Also this must be driven home by media. I'm sick of the media only saying SNP = IndependenceJust an edit... Say SNP get 48% of seats and Greens 12%. The media should plaster a 60% wish for a referendum, but they won't. They will peddle the 48% bullshit. The Greens will be quite explicit about independence in their manifesto. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Decentralising from Westminster - I agree that there needs to be further decentralised power from Holyrood as well - but that is not an argument against Devolution. Was going to be a pedant about this but don’t care. Have a nice day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I know that but I popped a post up earlier about perception and biased media. See below Absolutely no issue with this, but they must stand on a referendum manifesto. Also this must be driven home by media. I'm sick of the media only saying SNP = IndependenceJust an edit... Say SNP get 48% of seats and Greens 12%. The media should plaster a 60% wish for a referendum, but they won't. They will peddle the 48% bullshit. Said before but it’ll be interesting to see how SNP frame it if pressed. Would they potentially cede votes to the Greens by saying a pro independence majority doesn’t just mean an SNP majority. Personally I hope the SNP have to rely on a surge in Greens MSPs but trying to work it out ahead of time is going to cause people headaches. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Me and my wife are the proxy voters for over 100 pensioners in the care home we work in. That's over 100 Green list votes lads. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Me and my wife are the proxy voters for over 100 pensioners in the care home we work in. That's over 100 Green list votes lads.Your trying to steal the election ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: Me and my wife are the proxy voters for over 100 pensioners in the care home we work in. That's over 100 Green list votes lads. Likewise, I own a chain of care homes right across the country. That's another 10,000 SNP votes in the post. Happy to serve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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