ICTJohnboy Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 1 hour ago, pandarilla said: One that he can use to show that he stood up to the EU and got a fair deal for Britain. He's not got a clue about detail but he knows what keeps the Tory heartlands sweet. It appears that that's almost impossible to achieve. So he'll go for the nuclear option and then see what the EU want to do. He's backing his people to solve problems and fight fires effectively (a tad ambitious) - and if no-one dies due to a lack of medicine and the biggest food issue relates to a severe shortage of fresh mozzarella and (if he's lucky) avocados then he'll ride this out and go down in history. He'll probably go down in history as the worst PM this country has ever had, and the one who turned it into a 3rd world country. His only saving grace could be his contribution in helping create an independent Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 He'll probably go down in history as the worst PM this country has ever had, and the one who turned it into a 3rd world country. His only saving grace could be his contribution in helping create an independent Scotland.Again, that wasn't my prediction. It's his plan (as far as I can see). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuro Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 7 hours ago, John Lambies Doos said: 7 hours ago, Kuro said: That's utter nonsense, if Johnson was not committed to leaving on October 31st no deal cou!d be avoided if he wanted it to be. It amazes me how stupid people are, Johnson wants no deal I can't believe people still can't see that. No he doesn't, he wants a deal and he's pushing MPs and EU into a corner with the no deal threat. It amazes me how stupid people are.... No he doesn't, he's not pushing the EU anywhere they have been clear and consistent all along, there's nothing to push. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 hours ago, pandarilla said: One that he can use to show that he stood up to the EU and got a fair deal for Britain. He's not got a clue about detail but he knows what keeps the Tory heartlands sweet. It appears that that's almost impossible to achieve. So he'll go for the nuclear option and then see what the EU want to do. He's backing his people to solve problems and fight fires effectively (a tad ambitious) - and if no-one dies due to a lack of medicine and the biggest food issue relates to a severe shortage of fresh mozzarella and (if he's lucky) avocados then he'll ride this out and go down in history. He needs to call in those people with expertise on the situation like Fox and Davis. They hold all the cards and it will be the easiest deal in history. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted August 31, 2019 Author Share Posted August 31, 2019 No he doesn't, he's not pushing the EU anywhere they have been clear and consistent all along, there's nothing to push.Erm, I know. But he's playing chicken with the economy. He thinks public support will hold on the event of no deal. Then it's anybody's game. Anyone on here making specific predictions is talking out their arse. History is littered with unintended and unforeseeable consequence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 (edited) Hate all this coup pish. It isn't a coup, it's legal. Is it morally correct? No. Does that matter when it comes to the Tories? No. If anything it shows how fucked up and archaic parliament in Westminster is and how we're better away from it. The only way out for us is independence and I feel the SNP are dragging their heels for whatever reason. There will never be a better opportunity for an independent Scotland. Edited August 31, 2019 by the snudge 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Nice! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 41 minutes ago, the snudge said: Hate all this coup pish. It isn't a coup, it's legal. Is it morally correct? No. Does that matter when it comes to the Tories? No. If anything it shows how fucked up and archaic parliament in Westminster is and how we're better away from it. The only way out for us is independence and I feel the SNP are dragging their heels for whatever reason. There will never be a better opportunity for an independent Scotland. It’s an abuse of power. Coup is therefore probably closer than immoral. The courts yet may challenge its legality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 2 hours ago, MixuFixit said: Suspect this will blow up in Cummings face. The quickest way to head off this threat is to do exactly that and replace Johnson as leader via a VONC. MPs who vote against the party line on an issue such as this should be deselected. Mind you if Labour do it you can imagine the headlines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 Some of the ‘analysis’ on here is woeful. Not being cheeky, but you’re analysis of the entire Brexit scenario was, vote leave- I really don’t think you’ve got any right to be lecturing anyone on analysis tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 3 hours ago, MixuFixit said: Suspect this will blow up in Cummings face. The quickest way to head off this threat is to do exactly that and replace Johnson as leader via a VONC. Why is this person whoever he is in charge of the people in government and what they're doing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zidane's child Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 36 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Why is this person whoever he is in charge of the people in government and what they're doing? An unelected bureaucrat you might say... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 31, 2019 Share Posted August 31, 2019 He'll probably go down in history as the worst PM this country has ever had, and the one who turned it into a 3rd world country. His only saving grace could be his contribution in helping create an independent Scotland.And a United Ireland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 13 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 8 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said: He'll probably go down in history as the worst PM this country has ever had, and the one who turned it into a 3rd world country. His only saving grace could be his contribution in helping create an independent Scotland. And a United Ireland. I would like to see that, but where would the DUP go? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Whatever the outcome this is not going to end well for Johnson. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49540681 As Barnier rightly says, even if we leave on 31 October with no deal all the the issues will still need to be addressed the next day. The idea that the EU is going to be more accommodating come 1 November is ludicrous. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 7 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said: I would like to see that, but where would the DUP go? Ibrox every second weekend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 Michael Gove refusing to commit the government to abiding by any laws passed by Parliament. Are people still finding the word ‘coup’ too dramatic? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Paco said: Michael Gove refusing to commit the government to abiding by any laws passed by Parliament. Are people still finding the word ‘coup’ too dramatic? It’s all bluster. I’m beginning to think the Tory ‘rebels’ should back off and let Johnson have his way. The other parties would be obliged to publicly oppose him but their upfront position should be “you accept the consequences”. I reckon Johnson would be out on his arse before the end of November without a GE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Whatever the outcome this is not going to end well for Johnson. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49540681 As Barnier rightly says, even if we leave on 31 October with no deal all the the issues will still need to be addressed the next day. The idea that the EU is going to be more accommodating come 1 November is ludicrous. They need us more than we need them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share Posted September 1, 2019 They need us more than we need them.I appreciate the sarcasm but 'events, dear boy' change history (stolen from Harold Macmillan). We don't know how Britain will cope in those first few days and weeks. Everything will be up for grabs - and predictions at this stage are just that. It could become splintered, with minor agreements taking place depending on what's going on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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