Poet of the Macabre Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 24 minutes ago, dorlomin said: The camera switching to a smug George Osborne and fascinated Ed Balls did get a chuckle out of me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Ross. said: Absolutely. "We're more legitimate than you" doesn't ring right. They should go with "You're more of a b*****d than us". It's something that is going to affect the entire developed world, and people still don't have an answer to it. Importing people young enough to support the old has been the sticking plaster but is not the long term answer. Systematic changes seem the only answer but no one seems willing to consider anything that is even half approaching "radical". The solution is the economic model has to change. The world is in a crisis of OVER production. Services and credit don't create the things we need to live, they are just means of distributing production unequally. The pensioner thing looks difficult to overcome but the next generation of pensioners are going to be poorer and more socially liberal so there's some hope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: The solution is the economic model has to change. The world is in a crisis of OVER production. Services and credit don't create the things we need to Slogans. About all your peanut brain can manage really. Quote ut the next generation of pensioners are going to be poorer and more socially liberal "This problem I have suddenly discovered and know nothing about, let me tell you all the solutions" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: The solution is the economic model has to change. The world is in a crisis of OVER production. Services and credit don't create the things we need to live, they are just means of distributing production unequally. The pensioner thing looks difficult to overcome but the next generation of pensioners are going to be poorer and more socially liberal so there's some hope. I hope you are right, but long term thinking still seems to be "All these current old people will die and there will be less old people in future to support which we can cope with". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, dorlomin said: Slogans. About all your peanut brain can manage really. "This problem I have suddenly discovered and know nothing about, let me tell you all the solutions" You describe real problems that are inherent in our economic system but as soon as a solution is put forward you instantly criticise it. Genuinely strange. We are NOT going to solve the current crises via improving growth, foreign direct investment or more credit. You know that. Edited December 13, 2019 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Ross. said: I hope you are right, but long term thinking still seems to be "All these current old people will die and there will be less old people in future to support which we can cope with". People who are retiring now largely have decent pensions and wealth from the housing bubble. That's not going to be the case in 20 years time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Detournement said: People who are retiring now largely have decent pensions and wealth from the housing bubble. That's not going to be the case in 20 years time. Yes, but the chances are there will also be a glut of old people dying at some point which will flood the markets with property and shares and drive prices down, while taking numbers off the state pension/health service/social services bill. That is pretty much the great hope for contemporary politics as it stands, and that is a fucking huge indictment of where we have got to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo-rocker Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Interesting that the non-SNP held seats are arguably the places with the worst transport infrastructure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Unionists and their forked tongues. They still don't fckn get it... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Alex Cole Hamilton is fucking raging. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Alex Cole Hamilton is fucking raging. Good, he’s a w****r. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, mizfit said: Alex Cole Hamilton is fucking raging. I despise him. He makes Gove look human. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) Aside from the obvious that the rest of the UK is a shower of utter scumbags, the most disappointing thing for me of the night was that snaky wee c**t Douglas Ross hanging onto his seat by the skin of his teeth. Edited December 13, 2019 by Rugster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, Ross. said: Yes, but the chances are there will also be a glut of old people dying at some point which will flood the markets with property and shares and drive prices down, while taking numbers off the state pension/health service/social services bill. That is pretty much the great hope for contemporary politics as it stands, and that is a fucking huge indictment of where we have got to. When you look at the number of adults still living with their parents and people paying high rents for shit properties it's clear there is a massive supply issue. I don't see prices falling unless there is a building boom and immigration falls neither of which are realistic. What is more likely to happen is that low growth will push even more money into landlordism. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: Did I see his wife trying and failing to get elected somewhere? Against Hanvey. Under 3000 votes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 41 minutes ago, pandarilla said: I'm not comfortable with the yes side going down this route in terms of tactics. Scotland is for anyone who wants to live here, and always should be. Let's not get all little scotlander. Consider transient personnel. The tories won in Moray by 500 votes, given that Moray has a very large Army base in Kinloss and another large RAF base in Lossiemouth it is more than possible that the military in both, as always, voted tory. There are around 1500 personnel + spouses at both camps and even though the majority does not belong to the area as Military personnel they can register to vote where they are stationed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comrie Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) Interesting to see how quickly voters will a) turn on Boris if things start going wrong or b) how quickly he'll abandon the helm like a former girlfriend Edited December 13, 2019 by Comrie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Detournement said: When you look at the number of adults still living with their parents and people paying high rents for shit properties it's clear there is a massive supply issue. I don't see prices falling unless there is a building boom and immigration falls neither of which are realistic. What is more likely to happen is that low growth will push even more money into landlordism. Post Brexit there will definitely be a change in migration patterns. I can see significant changes in the numbers of EU citizens, whether they have settled status or not. Who wants to stay where they aren't welcome? As England moves further to the right it will also put off prospective immigrants, which means fewer coming in. This result could have serious long term implications to the UK economy that no one can predict at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Rugster said: Aside from the obvious that the rest of the UK is a shower of utter scumbags, the most disappointing thing for me of the night was that snaky wee c**t Douglas Ross hanging onto his seat by the skin of his teeth. In another 5 years, a significant portion of the demographic that grew up with a map of the British empire on the classroom wall will no longer be with us. Time is not on the Tories' side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Just now, Comrie said: Interesting to see how quickly voters will a) turn on Boris if things start going wrong or b) how quickly he'll abandoned the helm like a former girlfriend I thnk you mean "when"... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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