Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[bendan]

1 minute ago, JTS98 said:

How many people are you willing to write off for a pint?

You should write for the Guardian.

[ayrmad]

6 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

The decision about when to end the lockdown period is a great moment to stop and ponder one of life's best philosophical questions. What is the value of a human life? In a morbid way, it's a great thought. I've spent a lot of today talking with different people about it.

Obviously, the lockdown must end at some point. The virus will not be completely gone, so some people will die who would have lived had the lockdown gone on for longer.

However, we obviously accept human death all the time. Smoking and drinking are both legal, it is legal to drive your car relatively fast, we know that a number of human beings will die in plane crashes every year, we allow Aberdeen to play away games on winter days with bad weather which means more people will drive up and down the country in bad conditions and potentially die.

We find death acceptable. Society couldn't function otherwise.

So, how many deaths are acceptable collateral damage for us to be able to go back to work or out for a pint again?

It's a funny question because while the victims are just a number, it's relatively easy. If you say two extra people will die, that sounds ok. But If you showed me a picture of the two people and their families and said 'These two people will die', I'd find it much harder.

Enough. Let's find P&B's biggest psychopath. What's your acceptable number of deaths to get back out?

I've told those closest to me that I'm only doing this 12 week stint on my own once, might change my mind when more pressure comes from them nearer the time, this ain't life and certainly not what's going to float my boat for another 12 to 18 months. 

[Guest JTS98]

1 minute ago, bendan said:

You should write for the Guardian.

No. Then my headline would be.

Are LGBTQ+ people of colour and women suffering disproportionally from YOUR choice of number of acceptable deaths?

[The DA]

5 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

Yeah, of course.

Same for lots of things in society. If we didn't accept death, speed limits for cars would be walking pace.

But I'm asking YOU, psycho. How many people are you willing to write off for a pint?

Are we allowed to write off for a pint now?  Excellent.  

[Guest JTS98]

2 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

I've told those closest to me that I'm only doing this 12 week stint on my own once, might change my mind when more pressure comes from them nearer the time, this ain't life and certainly not what's going to float my boat for another 12 to 18 months. 

One day at a time, mate. Don't look too far ahead. There's just no point.

[Todd_is_God]

23 minutes ago, mizfit said:

307 new cases in Scotland, yesterday there was 354 new cases. Are we currently plateauing on the curve or is it a genuine downturn in cases?

I think we are probably on the edge of the plateau ready to see a decline any day now. Unfortunately we are going in to the weekend so it wont be until Wednesday we can see it that is true or not.

The death figures are all over the place but if you bear in mind the weekend reporting and subsequent lag, there appears to be a levelling off there too.

I agree with @jagfox99 but the next 2-3 weeks should hopefully bring encouraging numbers.

[coprolite]

8 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

Yeah, of course.

Same for lots of things in society. If we didn't accept death, speed limits for cars would be walking pace.

But I'm asking YOU, psycho. How many people are you willing to write off for a pint?

Can we choose who or is it random?

[Ya Bezzer!]

3 minutes ago, bendan said:

I don't think those stats tell us much other than it's not rising significantly. Other stats like ambulance calls and ICU patients suggest things are getting a bit better.

We could plateau out but with sizeable numbers of new cases and deaths every day.

The only longer term stats are from China and those are highly suspect.  If you look at Italy, although it looks it has peaked there, they are still posting high numbers of new cases and deaths.  Since Italy crossed the 250 deaths-a-day mark, about 9 weeks ago, there has only been one day in which it has dropped below that and that was the day after.

It could be that numbers significantly drop over the next month or next few months but you also have a concern that for the foreseeable future, perhaps until a vaccine is developed, even countries that have peaked will still see hundreds of deaths on a daily basis.

 

 

[Guest JTS98]

2 minutes ago, coprolite said:

Can we choose who or is it random?

It has to be random when you choose the number, but then you will have them identified to you and have to visit their homes to tell them and their families that they're getting the bullet for your pint.

[welshbairn]

17 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

What is the value of a human life?

According to Bill Bryson's new book, it would cost more than £96,000 to buy the ingredients for a human body on the open market, if that helps.

[Todd_is_God]

7 minutes ago, JTS98 said:

But I'm asking YOU, psycho. How many people are you willing to write off for a pint?

Once we get back down close to single figure deaths per day, covid-19 deaths would be no more or less significant than deaths from any other cause.

Last year 13,652 people died in Scotland between 1/4 and 30/6. An average of 151 per day. We didn't put life on hold then, and if it was 161 per day instead of 151 to allow life at large to continue then so be it.

It's not about writing people off, it is about being realistic.

 

[ayrmad]

5 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said:

We could plateau out but with sizeable numbers of new cases and deaths every day.

The only longer term stats are from China and those are highly suspect.  If you look at Italy, although it looks it has peaked there, they are still posting high numbers of new cases and deaths.  Since Italy crossed the 250 deaths-a-day mark, about 9 weeks ago, there has only been one day in which it has dropped below that and that was the day after.

It could be that numbers significantly drop over the next month or next few months but you also have a concern that for the foreseeable future, perhaps until a vaccine is developed, even countries that have peaked will still see hundreds of deaths on a daily basis.

 

 

When I've had a look at graphs, the deaths look like they'll be higher on the way down than on the way up, still early doors but the slopes on Italy and Spain look shallower after the peak, might drop like a stone in a few weeks right enough or they're just catching up with previous deaths. 

Edited April 17, 2020 by ayrmad

[Mark Connolly]

1 hour ago, eindhovendee said:

As I am in the 45-64 group I clapped an extra 5 minutes last night to make up for some posters not clapping.

Can see me clapping for 15 minutes next week.

Mind your heart, at your age that much exertion could be a disaster

[throbber]

3 minutes ago, ayrmad said:

When I've had a look at graphs, the deaths look like they'll be higher on the way down than on the way up, still early doors but the slopes on Italy and Spain look shallower after the peak, might drop like a stone in a few weeks right enough or they're just catching up with previous deaths. 

Italy, Spain and France are going to club together and put on a rock concert for the UK at this rate. 

[Tight minge]

Plenty, they love their bevvy. 

I’m with JTS98 on this one. I work for a Swedish company and they are fucking brutal. Excluding a couple of guys I know from Gothenburg and Stockholm, they are mostly lifeless shells. (IMO).

[Melanius Mullarkey]

The age groups in that graph aren’t general enough. They should be regrouped to “hurtling towards yer 50s” and “not hurtling towards your 50s yet”.

[Todd_is_God]

In 2018, Italy averaged 1,734 deaths per day.

What number of Covid-19 deaths per day in Italy, contributing to a daily death rate over and above 1,734, would be deemed unacceptable?

 

[Suspect Device]

The value of a human life surely varies with age. A 99 year old is worth less than a 10 year old (forgetting any other factors such as seriously ill10 year v healthy 99 year old who raises millions for the NHS)

And given that the majority of the deaths are in the 'less valuable' category, then I'd accept a doubling of the average death rate so that I can get my pint and football back. And the economy can get back to some kind of normality. 

Am I psychopathic for thinking like this or a callous logical b*****d

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, MixuFixit said:

why are you talking about this in moral philosophy terms when it's about the ability of a health service to cope

I would imagine that if there were, on average, fewer than 10 deaths per day in Scotland due to Covid-19 then our health service could cope.

I'm not aware of any instances of our health services being unable to cope at the moment when we are seeing 8 times that amount.

[tamthebam]

3 hours ago, Snafu said:

Nurse returns from 12-hour shift to find note telling her she is “a disgrace and has been reported”

Posted by

u/hokkuhokku

 

3 days ago

 

 

Being a nurse and some absolute arse carpet in your neighbourhood leaving a note on your windscreen “reporting” you because they think you’re going out for a sight seeing jolly when you’re actually driving to and from your night-shifts.

Yup.

Happened to a colleague of mine.

Fucking disgraceful.

Even made the local papers

 

There wasn't a pic of the nurse in that report.

Press standards really have dropped.