Todd_is_God Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, mizfit said: 307 new cases in Scotland, yesterday there was 354 new cases. Are we currently plateauing on the curve or is it a genuine downturn in cases? I think we are probably on the edge of the plateau ready to see a decline any day now. Unfortunately we are going in to the weekend so it wont be until Wednesday we can see it that is true or not. The death figures are all over the place but if you bear in mind the weekend reporting and subsequent lag, there appears to be a levelling off there too. I agree with @jagfox99 but the next 2-3 weeks should hopefully bring encouraging numbers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 8 minutes ago, JTS98 said: Yeah, of course. Same for lots of things in society. If we didn't accept death, speed limits for cars would be walking pace. But I'm asking YOU, psycho. How many people are you willing to write off for a pint? Can we choose who or is it random? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Bezzer! Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, bendan said: I don't think those stats tell us much other than it's not rising significantly. Other stats like ambulance calls and ICU patients suggest things are getting a bit better. We could plateau out but with sizeable numbers of new cases and deaths every day. The only longer term stats are from China and those are highly suspect. If you look at Italy, although it looks it has peaked there, they are still posting high numbers of new cases and deaths. Since Italy crossed the 250 deaths-a-day mark, about 9 weeks ago, there has only been one day in which it has dropped below that and that was the day after. It could be that numbers significantly drop over the next month or next few months but you also have a concern that for the foreseeable future, perhaps until a vaccine is developed, even countries that have peaked will still see hundreds of deaths on a daily basis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, coprolite said: Can we choose who or is it random? It has to be random when you choose the number, but then you will have them identified to you and have to visit their homes to tell them and their families that they're getting the bullet for your pint. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 17 minutes ago, JTS98 said: What is the value of a human life? According to Bill Bryson's new book, it would cost more than £96,000 to buy the ingredients for a human body on the open market, if that helps. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, JTS98 said: But I'm asking YOU, psycho. How many people are you willing to write off for a pint? Once we get back down close to single figure deaths per day, covid-19 deaths would be no more or less significant than deaths from any other cause. Last year 13,652 people died in Scotland between 1/4 and 30/6. An average of 151 per day. We didn't put life on hold then, and if it was 161 per day instead of 151 to allow life at large to continue then so be it. It's not about writing people off, it is about being realistic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Ya Bezzer! said: We could plateau out but with sizeable numbers of new cases and deaths every day. The only longer term stats are from China and those are highly suspect. If you look at Italy, although it looks it has peaked there, they are still posting high numbers of new cases and deaths. Since Italy crossed the 250 deaths-a-day mark, about 9 weeks ago, there has only been one day in which it has dropped below that and that was the day after. It could be that numbers significantly drop over the next month or next few months but you also have a concern that for the foreseeable future, perhaps until a vaccine is developed, even countries that have peaked will still see hundreds of deaths on a daily basis. When I've had a look at graphs, the deaths look like they'll be higher on the way down than on the way up, still early doors but the slopes on Italy and Spain look shallower after the peak, might drop like a stone in a few weeks right enough or they're just catching up with previous deaths. Edited April 17, 2020 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 hour ago, eindhovendee said: As I am in the 45-64 group I clapped an extra 5 minutes last night to make up for some posters not clapping. Can see me clapping for 15 minutes next week. Mind your heart, at your age that much exertion could be a disaster 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tight minge Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Plenty, they love their bevvy. I’m with JTS98 on this one. I work for a Swedish company and they are fucking brutal. Excluding a couple of guys I know from Gothenburg and Stockholm, they are mostly lifeless shells. (IMO). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 The age groups in that graph aren’t general enough. They should be regrouped to “hurtling towards yer 50s” and “not hurtling towards your 50s yet”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 In 2018, Italy averaged 1,734 deaths per day. What number of Covid-19 deaths per day in Italy, contributing to a daily death rate over and above 1,734, would be deemed unacceptable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 The value of a human life surely varies with age. A 99 year old is worth less than a 10 year old (forgetting any other factors such as seriously ill10 year v healthy 99 year old who raises millions for the NHS) And given that the majority of the deaths are in the 'less valuable' category, then I'd accept a doubling of the average death rate so that I can get my pint and football back. And the economy can get back to some kind of normality. Am I psychopathic for thinking like this or a callous logical b*****d -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, MixuFixit said: why are you talking about this in moral philosophy terms when it's about the ability of a health service to cope I would imagine that if there were, on average, fewer than 10 deaths per day in Scotland due to Covid-19 then our health service could cope. I'm not aware of any instances of our health services being unable to cope at the moment when we are seeing 8 times that amount. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Snafu said: Nurse returns from 12-hour shift to find note telling her she is “a disgrace and has been reported” Posted by u/hokkuhokku 3 days ago Being a nurse and some absolute arse carpet in your neighbourhood leaving a note on your windscreen “reporting” you because they think you’re going out for a sight seeing jolly when you’re actually driving to and from your night-shifts. Yup. Happened to a colleague of mine. Fucking disgraceful. Even made the local papers There wasn't a pic of the nurse in that report. Press standards really have dropped. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: The value of a human life surely varies with age. A 99 year old is worth less than a 10 year old (forgetting any other factors such as seriously ill10 year v healthy 99 year old who raises millions for the NHS) And given that the majority of the deaths are in the 'less valuable' category, then I'd accept a doubling of the average death rate so that I can get my pint and football back. And the economy can get back to some kind of normality. Am I psychopathic for thinking like this or a callous logical b*****d Fucking psycho, imo. Ok, what's the youngest acceptable collateral damage? Would you kill a 45 year-old for a pint? 40? 12? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, JTS98 said: Fucking psycho, imo. Ok, what's the youngest acceptable collateral damage? Would you kill a 45 year-old for a pint? 40? 12? 50. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: I'd accept a doubling of the average death rate so that I can get my pint and football back. And the economy can get back to some kind of normality. Am I psychopathic for thinking like this or a callous logical b*****d I expect a flurry of red dots coming your way from people who agree with the overall sentiment, but want to be seen to be morally outraged -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, JTS98 said: Yeah, of course. Same for lots of things in society. If we didn't accept death, speed limits for cars would be walking pace. But I'm asking YOU, psycho. How many people are you willing to write off for a pint? One. I’d sacrifice Anne Budge for a pint of 80/ in a quiet seaside pub. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: 50. Ok. But what about if the choice was a 50 year-old nurse who worked as an epidemiologist in his spare time or an 8 year-old convicted sex offender? Edited April 17, 2020 by JTS98 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Suspect Device said: 50. Don't be disappointed when 50 somethings start pishing in your pint. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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