bendan Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: Not up to me whether it's possible or not but it certainly creates increased risk within the household . Clearly whoever's thought that was even a possible solution though was talking shite, not seen it mentioned as a solution anywhere. https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/soc/economics/research/centres/cage/news/29-04-20-how_can_a_safe_lockdown_exit_be_designed_the_case_for_a_rolling_age_release_strategy/ Needless to say, their idea would not apply to younger people living with older people. Edited May 7, 2020 by bendan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, renton said: Does the Swedish model include all deaths and locations? Looking at the NRS figures you can see hospital deaths coming down now, it's the care home deaths keeping the overall figure flat It was care home deaths that had Sweden surging to start with. The care home situation is going to be difficult to resolve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 55 minutes ago, Silverton End said: My missus got tested on Monday, got her result - negative. Pleased Surely it's better to have had it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Detournement said: The care home situation is going to be difficult to resolve. Absolutely. But it should not be the driving force behind lockdown policy. They should be noted and reflected on as for those who lose loved ones in care homes it is tragic, but we should discuss and report on the trend and deaths in hospitals only. An virus rampaging through care homes should not be the reason people cannot visit family and friends. Edited May 7, 2020 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, MixuFixit said: It's so fucked. All of these titles owned by people with material interests in the economy getting back to normal (who incidentally could all give away 95% of their wealth and not notice a change in their quality of life) and all these ghouls employed by them know it and write this shit. A very small number of journalists have come out of this period with enhanced reputations. Everyone has a material interest in getting the economy back to normal. The longer furlough lasts the more redundancies there will be on the other side of it especially for those with less than two years employment. We have an economy which consists largely of unproductive and inessential jobs, employers won't fund them for a second longer than they have to if they aren't creating profits. The German proposals about temporary regional lockdowns if infection levels creep up sounds sensible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, superbigal said: Englandshire is undoubtedly in a better place than us at the moment to make changes. There testing strategies are ahead of ours due to the sheer capacity in place. If I need tested I probably still need to make a 50 mile journey and potentially wait days for results. No way can she make changes while it is still like this. However one of the tories 5 statements we keep hearing is a large sustained decrease in deaths. That is clearly not happening so I have no idea how the bold Boris can proceed to stage 2 anyway. On a separate but controversial note. No one is really getting tore in about the specific cases in care homes where the NHS hospitals had discharged the old dears who were positive without testing them. Hiding behind the scientists advice on this is like sending bulls to the slaughterhouse If it comes to pass the old dears should have been tested and were not then the NHS takes some of the actual blame. If anyone has been discharged without testing into a home from a hospital where Covid patients are being treated, it would seem like a clear case of negligence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Absolutely. But it should not be the driving force behind lockdown policy. They should be noted and reflected on as for those who lose loved ones in care homes it is tragic, but we should discuss and report on the trend and deaths in hospitals only. An virus rampaging through care homes should not be the reason people cannot visit family and friends. I agree. The government should nationalise the sector if providers can't guarantee resident safety. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 21 minutes ago, bendan said: Yes, but wouldn't that imply that ordinary people had more of an interest in getting things up and running than Viscount Rothermere? I agree with this but ascribing sensible motives to this Viscount Rothermere (assume he's a stand in for the billionaire class) is inadvisable given billionaires are uniformly psychopathic money hoarders. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Obviously doesn't know he's living across the road from a high class curtain twitcher. Mentioned earlier in the thread that it's a quiet street and you notice when a car is going past. 8/10 times hear the car and look towards the window. Yep same car.I have no idea who lives in the house until today when I was out doing the garden and spotted him coming out.It's not a huge issue but some folk have been taking the piss big time while the majority have been staying in.Without being too dramatic it could result in other people dying so forgive me if I develop a hatred for bampots being selfish. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clockwork Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 There's a part of that article which, if true, would sum up the British response perfectly. Having missed the boat on testing, we then spent millions on temporary hospitals which could have been used to isolate Covid-19 patients from the rest of the hospital population, only to then not use them.This must have been questioned!?? Why spend millions on additional capacity up and down the country and the opportunity to isolate Covid-19 patients, then continue to treat them in facilities already busy caring for those who are vulnerable with other health concerns?Not only continuing to expose all staff, whilst diverting and diluting other staff resource (read that it was 180 staff to 35 Patients at the 4,000 bed Nightingale Hospital in London) and leave it pretty much empty, eventually mothballing it. This isn’t hindsight for the planners surely? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Is tonight's pots and pans shanfest set to celebrate having Europe's highest death toll or its most useless failure of a lockdown? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Detournement said: It was care home deaths that had Sweden surging to start with. The care home situation is going to be difficult to resolve. Yes, they admitted they made an arse of it with regards to care homes. Edited May 7, 2020 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 7 minutes ago, Snafu said: The privately run care homes can decide for themselves when its safe for the end of their lockdown. No one is suggesting otherwise 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Wee Bully said: The politics of envy. Someone should do something, Just not me. ^^^forelock-tugging, bootlicker, basking in the reflected wealth of the billionaire class 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 30 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Absolutely. But it should not be the driving force behind lockdown policy. They should be noted and reflected on as for those who lose loved ones in care homes it is tragic, but we should discuss and report on the trend and deaths in hospitals only. An virus rampaging through care homes should not be the reason people cannot visit family and friends. Nah, can't agree with that nonsense, I'd be highly offended if my loved ones death was swept under the carpet, luckily for me I've no oldies to worry about now. Don't think the situation in care homes will have much bearing on lockdown restrictions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 I agree. The government should nationalise the sector if providers can't guarantee resident safety.Aye, okay. [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 Is tonight's pots and pans shanfest set to celebrate having Europe's highest death toll or its most useless failure of a lockdown?Most have even forgotten what its about and it's pretty much become a virtue signaling piece of nonsense.Give them ppe not this pish 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, ayrmad said: Nah, can't agree with that nonsense, I'd be highly offended if my loved ones death was swept under the carpet, luckily for me I've no oldies to worry about now. Don't think the situation in care homes will have much bearing on lockdown restrictions. If they're including care home cases in the R0 figures then it absolutely does. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 1 minute ago, SweeperDee said: Aye, okay. The government are paying the wages of 25% workers and throwing about hundreds of billions of QE. There is no reason it can't be done and would probably be cost neutral long term when you consider how much care home owners extract from the state. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted May 7, 2020 Share Posted May 7, 2020 11 minutes ago, virginton said: Is tonight's pots and pans shanfest set to celebrate having Europe's highest death toll or its most useless failure of a lockdown? I'll ask Sheila later. Or the boy across the road with the fag hingin' out the mooth. Or Mrs Cathro (in her jim-jams last week). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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