Bairnardo Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Except temperature checks on their own aren't reliable.Pretty sure something to raise the odds will be deemed acceptable eventially 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Except temperature checks on their own aren't reliable. Surely with the money involved in the holiday market I'm sure the airlines can come up with something . let's say they just get you to pay for a test(then self isolate) and get the results ASAP, they can also temperature test at airport. This test may prove useful for getting accepted into other countries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Just now, Bairnardo said: 9 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Except temperature checks on their own aren't reliable. Pretty sure something to raise the odds will be deemed acceptable eventially I'll be more inclined than most to raise my risk level of it means going on holiday, but they'll need to do a bit more than that to get things moving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 One would assume testing technology is moving at pace too. Depending on how ling a vaccine takes, more and more will get poured into it. I know f**k all about virus detection but could there ever credibly be an instantaneous test? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, dirty dingus said: Surely with the money involved in the holiday market I'm sure the airlines can come up with something . let's say they just get you to pay for a test(then self isolate) and get the results ASAP, they can also temperature test at airport. This test may prove useful for getting accepted into other countries. Similar to needing injections to go to South America, say. There's already a Dutch Company talking about setting up holidays where you're tested, isolated, tested again, and sent out to an all in resort in Turkey where you're not allowed to leave until you go home. Not sure if I fancy that tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 https://www.theverge.com/2020/3/23/21191055/rapid-coronavirus-test-hospital-fda 45 min tests according to this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Mind when everyone, me included, ripped the pish out@Detournement for saying nobody is going on a foreign holiday for a few years? Today both France and Spain (two badly hit countries) have come out with seroprevalence numbers. (France is a model, paper linked below. Spain was representative sample/survey of 60K; I don't have the paper yet). Both are ~5 percent. If that holds up, that is very very bad news. https://t.co/Tr7sCEXtrT — zeynep tufekci (@zeynep) May 13, 2020 i have no idea what that means, can you elaborate? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 1 minute ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: i have no idea what that means, can you elaborate? I'd appreciate that myself. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Testing on Spain and France suggest only 5% of folk have had it.How can that square with a huge death toll and R numbers of 3+? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Testing on Spain and France suggest only 5% of folk have had it. Is this antibody testing or just the current % of folk who have covid19 in the sample so it wouldn't tell you if people have came through it.. I maybe wrong though but I read about sub samples in north Italy where the herd figures were as high as 50% 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 What happens if you fly to Spain (for example) having passed a temp test on departure but the Spanish test you on entry and you fail that test. They refuse you entry, the airlines then won't fly you home and god knows where you would sit with insurance. Fraught with danger. Add in SD measures in resort and why on earth would anyone even contemplate a foreign holiday this summer. Lunacy ! Surely with the money involved in the holiday market I'm sure the airlines can come up with something . let's say they just get you to pay for a test(then self isolate) and get the results ASAP, they can also temperature test at airport. This test may prove useful for getting accepted into other countries. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: What happens if you fly to Spain (for example) having passed a temp test on departure but the Spanish test you on entry and you fail that test. They refuse you entry, the airlines then won't fly you home and god knows where you would sit with insurance. Fraught with danger. Add in SD measures in resort and why on earth would anyone even contemplate a foreign holiday this summer. Lunacy ! Add in the factor of trying to get travel insurance that covers "covid 19" problems then yip you aint going nowhere fancy....saltcoats it is 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: What happens if you fly to Spain (for example) having passed a temp test on departure but the Spanish test you on entry and you fail that test. They refuse you entry, the airlines then won't fly you home and god knows where you would sit with insurance. Fraught with danger. Add in SD measures in resort and why on earth would anyone even contemplate a foreign holiday this summer. Lunacy ! Throw you in the lavy up the back and lock the door? I'm thinking of a testing regime where you get tested and isolated by the airlines. Obviously they would have to have some sort of plan with the governments and airlines for any persons with symptoms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Antibody testing Can it be that certain people have natural immunity? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 12 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Not sure what you mean I mean is it possible that people will not have had it but will not catch it because of a natural immunity that is not detectable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 I mean is it possible that people will not have had it but will not catch it because of a natural immunity that is not detectable?Not sure you can have natural immunity to a new virus. Yes you can have such a good immune system that it barely affects but don't think that's classed as natural Immunity. You still caught it kind of thing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 13, 2020 Author Share Posted May 13, 2020 I mean is it possible that people will not have had it but will not catch it because of a natural immunity that is not detectable?I don’t think we know that but it could be that some people are. The virus binds to specific receptors so if someone had a genetic mutation in that receptor it’s possible the virus wouldn’t bind. I don’t know either though.I don’t think natural immunity is the term that medical professionals use though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, MixuFixit said: Antibody testing I think only Spain did the antibody testing. The French figure is from modelling. In Spain there's a lot of regional variation - up to 14% in some areas, and below 2% in some others - but it's a serious and large scale survey, so probably pretty accurate. Edited May 13, 2020 by bendan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 Nicholas Klemen @NicholasKlemen · 2h Replying to @hsalje and @ScienceMagazine This jives almost exactly with recent NY data: NY state has 20 million people, 20k deaths, 14% seropositive. France has 60 million people, 20k deaths, 5% seropositive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 13, 2020 Share Posted May 13, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Makes me wonder why we've not released data from our own serology testing, we've done tens of thousands. Haven't they provisionally done that? I think Vallance said 4.8% - 10% in London and 4% elsewhere. I think an official release is coming very soon. Edit: something about it here: https://www.cityam.com/ten-per-cent-of-londons-population-may-have-caught-coronavirus/ He might have meant 4% total across the country. That would be based on infections at some point back in early April, though. Edited May 13, 2020 by bendan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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