coprolite Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 45 minutes ago, bendan said: Yes, just like it's essential in many other environments, yet is somehow impossible. The word you are looking for is uneconomical. The costs of finding a suitable replacement for an offshore worker for eample are far higher than testing for covid whereas there is a huge pool of replacement care workers available for a modest agency fee. The opportunity cost (to the business, not society) of not having the worker present at all is way higher offshore. Neglecting vulnerable people is really quite cheap in the short term. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, coprolite said: The word you are looking for is uneconomical. The costs of finding a suitable replacement for an offshore worker for eample are far higher than testing for covid whereas there is a huge pool of replacement care workers available for a modest agency fee. The opportunity cost (to the business, not society) of not having the worker present at all is way higher offshore. Neglecting vulnerable people is really quite cheap in the short term. For businesses, yes it's uneconomical, but for the country as a whole it seems a worthwhile cost if it restores confidence and reduces transmission. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, bendan said: For businesses, yes it's uneconomical, but for the country as a whole it seems a worthwhile cost if it restores confidence and reduces transmission. Totally agree. Clearly the various governments don't 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Snafu said: ''The NHS coronavirus test-and-trace system designed to prevent a second deadly wave is not expected to work at full speed until September or October" Pretty farcical tbh. If a 2nd wave was to happen, it'll happen before then. Unless of course by "full speed" they mean at maximum capacity which is something we wouldn't want to be seeing at all Edited June 5, 2020 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 33 minutes ago, coprolite said: The word you are looking for is uneconomical. The costs of finding a suitable replacement for an offshore worker for eample are far higher than testing for covid whereas there is a huge pool of replacement care workers available for a modest agency fee. The opportunity cost (to the business, not society) of not having the worker present at all is way higher offshore. Neglecting vulnerable people is really quite cheap in the short term. Maybe not so much in the summer. but access to emergency specialist medical care is obviously limited and non existent if the weather's bad enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 ''The NHS coronavirus test-and-trace system designed to prevent a second deadly wave is not expected to work at full speed until September or October, the Guardian has learned. It comes as a leaked email from the chief executive of Serco – one of the main companies contracted to deliver the service – revealed how he doubted the scheme would evolve smoothly but said he wanted it to “cement the position of the private sector” in the NHS supply chain.'' Looks like the second wave will have to wait until we have a decent prevention system set up. That will be Rupert Soames, grandson of Churchill, brother of Nicholas and with impeccable connections to both the British Establishment and the Tory Party.A frightfully nice fellow who I met several times in his previous role, he will not flinch from taking those tough decisions, if you get my drift. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 It would be useful to know what percentage of new cases are asymptomatic I think. If, as the Italian & Spanish doctors say they have observed, the virus has significantly weakened, and the majority of new cases now are very mild or asymptomatic, then test and protect becomes a bit pointless. No point having people isolating for 14 days and locking everything down if we reach a stage where the virus causes only a small minority to experience more than a cough. I would hope the SG are aware of, and consider, the above.Surely that is more down to limiting the viral load through measures like lockdown and more so since measures eased, social distancing ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said: 14 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: It would be useful to know what percentage of new cases are asymptomatic I think. If, as the Italian & Spanish doctors say they have observed, the virus has significantly weakened, and the majority of new cases now are very mild or asymptomatic, then test and protect becomes a bit pointless. No point having people isolating for 14 days and locking everything down if we reach a stage where the virus causes only a small minority to experience more than a cough. I would hope the SG are aware of, and consider, the above. Surely that is more down to limiting the viral load through measures like lockdown and more so since measures eased, social distancing ? Course it is. Long, long way to go with this. In fact only a vaccine (if it ever comes), or the infamous 'herd immunity' will put this to bed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Another school with positive tests down south https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-school-closes-siblings-positive-090742179.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 54 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Pretty farcical tbh. If a 2nd wave was to happen, it'll happen before then. Unless of course by "full speed" they mean at maximum capacity which is something we wouldn't want to be seeing at all 2nd wave in the winter. Everything will be getting back to normal then the tsunami will come but we'll be better prepared. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: 2nd wave in the winter. Ok mystic meg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest Saints Fan Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 14 hours ago, Todd_is_God said: It would be useful to know what percentage of new cases are asymptomatic I think. If, as the Italian & Spanish doctors say they have observed, the virus has significantly weakened, and the majority of new cases now are very mild or asymptomatic, then test and protect becomes a bit pointless. No point having people isolating for 14 days and locking everything down if we reach a stage where the virus causes only a small minority to experience more than a cough. I would hope the SG are aware of, and consider, the above. Surely that is more down to limiting the viral load through measures like lockdown and more so since measures eased, social distancing ? Yes. One of the blood cancer Doctors I follow says much the same as this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 21 minutes ago, doulikefish said: Another school with positive tests down south https://uk.news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-school-closes-siblings-positive-090742179.html Given they tested positive before the schools reopened, your headline there is very clickbait like. You should work in media. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Honest Saints Fan said: That's pretty much what the sensible ones among us have been saying is the best way to get back to normal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 AstraZeneca beginning production of potential vaccine. No evidence, yet, of course that it works or is safe.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-52917118 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted June 5, 2020 Author Share Posted June 5, 2020 The Scottish Government have published a report on a simulation exercise held two years ago that mimiced an outbreak of MERS in Scotland. MERS (Middle Eastern Respiratory SYndrome) is a similar virus to Covid, although there are differences. https://www.gov.scot/publications/exercise-iris-report/ One of the reasons given for the prepardeness of South Korea is that they suffered an outbreak of MERS a few years ago and built their contact tracing and testing facilities following this. Seems like this exercise was a missed opportunity for the Scottish and UK governments to use the information and update processes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Had a call there from our daughter's Day Care Centre (It's currently closed.) Among other things chatted about is re-opening (a long way off). Only up to about half a dozen clients would be allowed in at a time (there must have been 30 or 40 there everyday before this carry on started). Can't see Day Centres and Adult Centres being sustainable if they're only catering for half a dozen everyday. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Ignoring the 40 cases lumped on to Tuesday (purely because they weren't actually from the last 7 days), 7 day average new cases in Scotland are now 31 (30.5). Despite easing restrictions 1 week ago today, that average has continued to decrease by 40%. A good sign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 39 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: That's pretty much what the sensible ones among us have been saying is the best way to get back to normal. For the purposes of clarity, you are not one of the sensible ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted June 5, 2020 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Just now, Granny Danger said: For the purposes of clarity, you are not one of the sensible ones. It must be difficult being so wrong about so many things. I am impressed at how well you cope with this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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