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There are all sorts of variables in the Far East that make comparisons with the UK not very useful, habitual use of face masks for one. Makes more sense to compare the UK with similar European countries. Do you think if we had copied Japan we would have had more or fewer than 40 thousand deaths?
If we'd copied almost any country other than Brazil, Belorussia, or Trumpland we'd have done better than we have.

And Johnson is proud. What a cúnt.
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1 hour ago, The Moonster said:

I actually done this with my mate the other day - here is the Psychopath test:

•  glib and superficial charm
•  grandiose (exaggeratedly high) estimation of self
•  need for stimulation
•  pathological lying
•  cunning and manipulativeness
•  lack of remorse or guilt
•  shallow affect (superficial emotional responsiveness)
•  callousness and lack of empathy
•  parasitic lifestyle
•  poor behavioral controls
•  sexual promiscuity
•  early behavior problems
•  lack of realistic long-term goals
•  impulsivity
•  irresponsibility
•  failure to accept responsibility for own actions
•  many short-term marital relationships
•  juvenile delinquency
•  revocation of conditional release
•  criminal versatility

Scoring system is 0, 1 or 2 points based on how severe each item is for that person. Anyone scoring over 30 would be considered for psychopathic treatment. I don't know about you but when I go through that list and apply each one to Johnson I find myself nodding and saying "yip" to just about all of them.

What was your own score?

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2 hours ago, sjc said:

Again, you talk of vulnerable, yet Japan has the oldest, most densely populated Cities in the World and has had no spike in deaths.

I often wonder if the general health of the population is a significant factor.  IE the Greggs effect. UK and US folk have far more obese and inactive folk. 

The obvious outlier to this would be Italy but am I right in saying most cases were in the industrial north as opposed to the less affluent south with the more traditional Mediterranean diet?

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I often wonder if the general health of the population is a significant factor.  IE the Greggs effect. UK and US folk have far more obese and inactive folk. 

The obvious outlier to this would be Italy but am I right in saying most cases were in the industrial north as opposed to the less affluent south with the more traditional Mediterranean diet?

 

Italy’s problem was that 50% of deaths were in one region (Lombardy, which accounts for 12% of the population) leading to the local NHS being overwhelmed and a much higher than usual death rate in that one area. The UK outbreak was much more evenly spread across the country, but had a higher death rate because the country is full of fat junkies.

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1 hour ago, Mark Connolly said:

I'd imagine they are definitely not made up people, similar to "sources inside the club" and "a friend of the family".

Could they all be the same imaginary person?

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2 hours ago, sjc said:

If there's a 2nd/3rd/4th wave, what exactly has been gained/learnt from the lockdown? 

1) People don’t like  restrictions or uncertainty.  

2)  No Need to panic buy toilet paper

3) Never take anything for granted.

4) Appreciate what you've got!   

5)  Have more respect  for NHS staff and other key workers that are trying to help you!

AND....

6) That the Scottish goverment has looked after us much more sensibly, than the tories have the people down south...

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5 minutes ago, PWL said:

I often wonder if the general health of the population is a significant factor.  IE the Greggs effect. UK and US folk have far more obese and inactive folk. 

The obvious outlier to this would be Italy but am I right in saying most cases were in the industrial north as opposed to the less affluent south with the more traditional Mediterranean diet?

The air pollution around Bergamo is supposed to be horrendous, could well be another factor.

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59 minutes ago, mizfit said:

 

 


My girlfriends grandad is a conservative voter and despises sturgeon. He’s been shrinking from the start. she phoned him yesterday to ask what he thought of the shielding being extended and he just said it didn’t bother him, so long as he gets left alone to work on their family tree which has been keeping him busy during lockdown.

 

 

He should really be consulting his gp, imho.

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Italy’s problem was that 50% of deaths were in one region (Lombardy, which accounts for 12% of the population) leading to the local NHS being overwhelmed and a much higher than usual death rate in that one area. The UK outbreak was much more evenly spread across the country, but had a higher death rate because the country is full of fat junkies.
Talk shite. There's no such thing as a fat junkie.
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6 minutes ago, Donathan said:

 

.....but had a higher death rate because the country is full of fat junkies.

My one hope was that folk would have got into the positive habit of taking regular exercise and look to continue this beyond lock down. 

This optimism was them shattered with the half mile queues for McDs drive thru.....

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1 hour ago, Shandon Par said:

Isn't the role of PM always going to attract people like that? To want to be PM you have to have a psychopathic hunger for power and be willing to trample people. Couldn't believe it when I heard Theresa May say about how she'd have no bother pressing the nuke button. What kind of shell of a human would be happy to nuke folk? Tony Blair - the best education money can buy, a "Christian", yet happy to start a war on false pretenses. Cameron - another empty vessel. Quite like the theory that the likes of Johsnon, Cameron and Blair all lack empathy by being sent of to boarding school and their whole careers are based on them lacking the input of maternal love and empathy. 

I don't really disagree that the role of PM at Westminster has attracted that sort of individual but I don't think you can say it's the same the world over. Sturgeon isn't anything like that.

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An embarrassing about turn by the WM government regarding having all primary kids in England back in school before the summer. It turns out that head teachers and teaching staff actually knew what was physically possible to achieve in regards to social distancing in their schools, rather than the usual muppets in government who only really wanted the kids back in school so that their parents can go to work.

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39 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

I don't really disagree that the role of PM at Westminster has attracted that sort of individual but I don't think you can say it's the same the world over. Sturgeon isn't anything like that.

How would you know she isn't anything like that. 

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