Marshmallo Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Steven W said: In March - June I was on furlough so that solved my childcare problem. My wife was working from and has done so for the duration. This time round, as I work in manufacturing / construction, at present I'll be back at work after the holiday and my wife will be back at work too. Unrealistic to expect her to work from home and school our son. Neither of us are considered "key workers" (although that's something I'd challenge!) We have no family nearby, and are really struggling to think of what to do. This situation will be repeated many times over across the whole country surely? These are the cold hard numbers I was after to justify the use of the word "most". Thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Steven W said: In March - June I was on furlough so that solved my childcare problem. My wife was working from and has done so for the duration. This time round, as I work in manufacturing / construction, at present I'll be back at work after the holiday and my wife will be back at work too. Unrealistic to expect her to work from home and school our son. Neither of us are considered "key workers" (although that's something I'd challenge!) We have no family nearby, and are really struggling to think of what to do. This situation will be repeated many times over across the whole country surely? It's really not 'unrealistic' for either/both parents in a dual parent household to either: - explore WFH: I note that you say 'unrealistic' here rather than ' not possible' - take short-term leave for childcare purposes. What would you do if your child got sick/unable to attend school for a few weeks for any other reason? A school is not your failsafe resort for childcare and in the event of a global pandemic that should not happen. Your Liverpool-esque sense of injustice about not getting a key worker badge has also been noted. Edited December 21, 2020 by vikingTON -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: "Most working parents were off at that time" lolwot. Any numbers to back this up? I appreciate this is the same person who said the only people who have functionality to work remotely are a small subset of accountants. ^^^ Doesn’t think most folk were off during the initial lockdown. What a buffoon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 The Office for National Statistics has over 46% of those in employment as working from home in April. Given this doesn't include "key workers" I think it's pretty safe to assume that "most" parents being "off work" in the spring is anecdotal and not supported by any sort of data. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kneal Down Caster Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Has anyone thought that the virus might be spread sexually. All they 80+ shaggers and I’ve never tested positive . Sack that the Mrs has 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Not sure I agree with this. That's one question that needs to be considered but there are numerous competing priorities which need to be balanced. All I've been waiting for is a bit honesty from those in charge and this "grown up conversation" we were promised, rather than patronising pish about wrapping paper being shiny and making our own sunshine from The Guys.Just on wrapping paper I see several overseas postal services are now refusing to handle mail from the UK. Just how far is this going to go. It's a response more akin to anthrax than a slightly different variant of a virus we have been dealing with for the last 9 months. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Ever think someone has painted themselves into a corner? He's getting close to a meltdown here, popcorn time perhaps. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the snudge Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 My kids are getting punted into the hubs. Think I'll just take annual leave and start an epic fitba manager save. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 It's really not 'unrealistic' for either/both parents in a dual parent household to either: - explore WFH: I note that you say 'unrealistic' here rather than ' not possible' - take short-term leave for childcare purposes. What would you do if your child got sick/unable to attend school for a few weeks for any other reason? A school is not your failsafe resort for childcare and in the event of a global pandemic that should not happen. Your Liverpool-esque sense of injustice about not getting a key worker badge has also been noted. Laughable. Serious question, I take it you are not a parent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 30 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: Thank christ you're here to improve the discourse No thanks mate, it's all yours. zzzzzzzz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: These are the cold hard numbers I was after to justify the use of the word "most". Thank you. I'm not National Office of Statistics FFS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, virginton said: It's really not 'unrealistic' for either/both parents in a dual parent household to either: - explore WFH: I note that you say 'unrealistic' here rather than ' not possible' - take short-term leave for childcare purposes. What would you do if your child got sick/unable to attend school for a few weeks for any other reason? A school is not your failsafe resort for childcare and in the event of a global pandemic that should not happen. Your Liverpool-esque sense of injustice about not getting a key worker badge has also been noted. Define "short term leave" If my son took ill we'd muddle around or use annual leave. It would most probably only be a day or two. Given we both work to put food on the table and a roof over our heads, I can assure you, in our household I and my wife are both very much "key workers". Feel free to note that too. Edited December 21, 2020 by Steven W 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Steven W said: Define "short term leave" If my son took ill we'd muddle around or use annual leave. It would most probably only be a day or two. Given we both work to put food on the table and a roof over our heads, I can assure you, in our household I and my wife are both very much "key workers". Feel free to note that too. If you'd stuck in at the school yourself you'd have a job that allows special leave. Edited December 21, 2020 by Sergeant Wilson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Just now, Sergeant Wilson said: If you'd stick in at the school yourself you'd have a job that allows special leave. Correct 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Not convinced you can protect jobs or the economy by closing schools or doing blended learning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) The covid update we didn't get. The Tories have shut down the M20 in response to loads of lorries turning up and the French telling the lepers to f**k off. edit - linky Edited December 21, 2020 by dirty dingus 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Burton Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 It's really not 'unrealistic' for either/both parents in a dual parent household to either: - explore WFH: I note that you say 'unrealistic' here rather than ' not possible' - take short-term leave for childcare purposes. What would you do if your child got sick/unable to attend school for a few weeks for any other reason? A school is not your failsafe resort for childcare and in the event of a global pandemic that should not happen. Your Liverpool-esque sense of injustice about not getting a key worker badge has also been noted. You don't get much work done from home while trying to look after a two year old. My work was really decent in letting me and others take time off for childcare and catch up on work at night, weekends etc. For some teams that wasn't an option due to daily deadlines. It doesn't compare to your kid being off sick either. It's easy to cope when it's just one team member needing time off but becomes a nightmare when everyone with children is needing time off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Steven W said: Define "short term leave" If my son took ill we'd muddle around or use annual leave. It would most probably only be a day or two. I see that you're now qualified to give out medical prognoses as well. As it is, you would be expected to 'muddle around' or use up annual leave to look after your sprogs in this instance as well. Having a child is a care-giving responsibility and if that means not getting your two weeks in Benidorm next year then that's just tough. Quote Given we both work to put food on the table and a roof over our heads, I can assure you, in our household I and my wife are both very much "key workers". Feel free to note that too. I'm sure that your Victoria Cross is in the post but no, that does not actually make you in fact a 'key worker'. Edited December 21, 2020 by vikingTON -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 VT has absolutely lost it. Glorious to see the meltdown. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, virginton said: I see that you're now qualified to give out medical prognoses as well. As it is, you would be expected to 'muddle around' or use up annual leave to look after your sprogs in this instance as well. Having a child is a care-giving responsibility and if that means not getting your two weeks in Benidorm next year then that's just tough. I'm sure that your Victoria Cross is in the post but no, that does not actually make you in fact a 'key worker'. No one can use next summer's annual leave this December. That's basic stuff. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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