Granny Danger Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 8 hours ago, craigkillie said: Folk continuing to ignore the fact that many people will have entirely valid reasons for refusing the vaccine, including pregnancy, breastfeeding, being immunocompromised, having autoimmune conditions or being allergic to any of the components of the vaccine. Probably not all of that 21% fall into that category, but a decent chunk might. Others might be "refusing" it because they're unable to attend the appointment they have been given for entirely valid reasons (eg working, childcare, self-isolating). My wife has been offered it and is currently having to weigh it up because there is conflicting advice about breastfeeding. She's currently on maternity leave anyway and would rather wait, but her worry is that it won't be easily available to her when she goes back if she doesn't get it now. The posters above seem to be advocating that she shouldn't be allowed to get it at all if she does refuse. I think most of us are sensible enough to realise that within this 21% there will be people with legitimate reasons for refusal and equally sensible not to be critical of such people. Like you I have no idea what proportion of this 21% fall into this category but I’ve no reason to think that it’s the majority. Looking at the demographic of early treatments I would think pregnancy/breastfeeding would be a fairly small proportion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 9 hours ago, craigkillie said: Folk continuing to ignore the fact that many people will have entirely valid reasons for refusing the vaccine, including pregnancy, breastfeeding, being immunocompromised, having autoimmune conditions or being allergic to any of the components of the vaccine. Probably not all of that 21% fall into that category, but a decent chunk might. Others might be "refusing" it because they're unable to attend the appointment they have been given for entirely valid reasons (eg working, childcare, self-isolating). My wife has been offered it and is currently having to weigh it up because there is conflicting advice about breastfeeding. She's currently on maternity leave anyway and would rather wait, but her worry is that it won't be easily available to her when she goes back if she doesn't get it now. The posters above seem to be advocating that she shouldn't be allowed to get it at all if she does refuse. The royal college of obstetricians actually says that the vaccine is safe for pregnant women and they should get it if the benefits outweigh the risk (ie front line health and care workers), that said some midwifes are telling patients not to get the vaccine. The only contraindication for people with immuno compromised people to be cautious getting the vaccine is for 1 single drug retuxomab (sic) and even then its still safe to be vaccinated the GP just has to manage when its given. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Are midwives just a secret society that aims to spread disinformation? So many things we've been told by a midwife have turned out to be flat wrong.Never had a problem with them except for one at the actual birth of BB1 who was a bit of a cow... But you hear so many stories about the breastfeeding Gestapo arm of midwifery... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tynierose said: They're a shower of slavering arseholes in my experience of dealing with them both personally and professionally. Try marrying one. At least you get to go home. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tynierose said: Don't tell me she made you wear nappies... That's the least of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 12 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Its now three people from that store. Tesco are in deep shit then surely opens them wide up for a civil prosecution possibly even a criminal one if say a one person went to the shop after knowingly having Covid. Such a sad story hopefully the families who have lost someone will be looked after. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, 101 said: Tesco are in deep shit then surely opens them wide up for a civil prosecution possibly even a criminal one if say a one person went to the shop after knowingly having Covid. Such a sad story hopefully the families who have lost someone will be looked after. How would you make that stick, every employer in the country could be potentially liable? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, 101 said: Tesco are in deep shit then surely opens them wide up for a civil prosecution possibly even a criminal one if say a one person went to the shop after knowingly having Covid. Such a sad story hopefully the families who have lost someone will be looked after. How can the store be liable if an employee went in knowingly having had covid? If they didn’t tell the employer what are they meant to do? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: How would you make that stick, every employer in the country could be potentially liable? We do have decent death in service benefits, I am in a different part of the group but if I die then my wife will get a quarter of a million as a payout. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, Perkin Flump said: We do have decent death in service benefits, I am in a different part of the group but if I die then my wife will get a quarter of a million as a payout. That's different from being liable for them dying from covid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: How would you make that stick, every employer in the country could be potentially liable? Could eventually get that way. 11 minutes ago, Rugster said: How can the store be liable if an employee went in knowingly having had covid? If they didn’t tell the employer what are they meant to do? If an employee went in knowingly positive then of course they are likely to the the ones liable. However I'm sure employment lawyers would be queuing up to make sure Tesco are following the rules to the letter are they doing everything reasonable to ensure social distancing is adhered to, I would argue not since they chucked the one way system. Are they doing everything possible to keep hard surfaces clean, I would argue not, my sister was taken on just to clean the high touch areas for 8 hours a day, this job no longer exists and she does deliveries. But this isn't in Dundee who may do things differently. I'm sure Tesco are doing everything reasonable however to have 3 deaths in one shop seems like something the Trade Unions and the Health and Safety Exec should be looking at. Edited January 10, 2021 by 101 Still waking up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Are midwives just a secret society that aims to spread disinformation? So many things we've been told by a midwife have turned out to be flat wrong. Yes. They made my mrs feel like shite about breastfeeding etc and some of the stuff they told my sister in law after their baby was born was genuinely mental. 7 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: How would you make that stick, every employer in the country could be potentially liable? Think all 3 are from the same small department? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said: That's different from being liable for them dying from covid. Yeah, that's true. Not really woke up yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: Same here. Them piping up about vaccinations being dangerous for pregnant women when the medical literature says it isn't is dangerous itself, and needs stamping on. For healthcare workers its a balance of the risks, the wife was reading up on it all as we’d maybe like to try for another kid this year, dont know what the guidance is for non healthcare workers, so few folks will be in the first wave of getting the vaccine who fall into that category. The US’ CDC suggested that the vaccine is safe for pregnant women. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, 101 said: Could eventually get that way. If an employee went in knowingly positive then of course they are likely to the the ones liable. However I'm sure employment lawyers would be queuing up to make sure Tesco are following the rules to the letter are they doing everything reasonable to ensure social distancing is adhered to, I would argue not since they chucked the one way system. Are they doing everything possible to keep hard surfaces clean, I would argue not, my sister was taken on just to clean the high touch areas for 8 hours a day, this job no longer exists and she does deliveries. But this isn't in Dundee who may do things differently. I'm sure Tesco are doing everything reasonable however to have 3 deaths in one shop seems like something the Trade Unions and the Health and Safety Exec should be looking at. That could be the case, but it's as likely one of them caught it, transmitted it before they knew and the consequences followed. If Tesco have procedures in place it will be difficult to establish liability. Employment lawyers won't take something on they don't think they have a balance of probability chance of winning and I doubt they have here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Mate of mine tested positive in the summer and has done so again this week. Mild symptoms both times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Sergeant Wilson said: That could be the case, but it's as likely one of them caught it, transmitted it before they knew and the consequences followed. If Tesco have procedures in place it will be difficult to establish liability. Employment lawyers won't take something on they don't think they have a balance of probability chance of winning and I doubt they have here. Completely agree but hope someone has a proper look into it as the very least the families deserve. And hopefully will mean other families don't have to go through the same pain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 colour me shocked that the UKg are playing politics with the roll out. 1, I hope this isn't the case 2, hope it gives everyone involved in Scotland a kick up the arse 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Think in general we need to be careful about letting covid turn into the next ambulance chasing flavour of the month. If someone can be shown to have spread it about after being told officially they were positive then aye, throw the book. But in general terms, there is already no shortage of demonising of people catching a highly contagious and often asymptomatic virus. Starting a trend of seeking to blame/claim if you catch covid is absolutely not conducive with what any right thinking person is going to have to accept.... Folk will continue catching covid for a good long while, and ultimately once decent vaccine coverage is achieved, it really doesnt matter. This sort of liability talk feeds into the notion that this is some supernatural or even (tin foil hat klaxon) man made disease that humans didnt deserve and have a right not to catch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin.Hood Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 19 minutes ago, Donathan said: Mate of mine tested positive in the summer and has done so again this week. Mild symptoms both times. Colleague of mine got the virus in April. She now uses an inhaler and she is still fucked 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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