Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Futureboy]

1 minute ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

You're not understanding, they are implementing to the letter every piece of legislation. Masks are not mandatory in legislation Scotgov passed. Its entirely down to NS, she can make it so, and has decided not to.

It's down to the employer to conduct a risk assessment and put in place suitable control measures. That is not the government's responsibility, in exactly the same way that the government don't mandate the use of safety glasses or other PPE.

[Distant Doonhamer]

“Don’t sit on benches”

I can’t believe I’ve just heard that from Boris on the radio there.

Can fly in and out the country without any testing but a bench is going to turn the tide.

I still can’t believe how badly this has been handled.

Consider that Johnson is a lazy, dishonest, unprincipled arsehole and you’ll understand more easily

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

1 minute ago, Futureboy said:

It's down to the employer to conduct a risk assessment and put in place suitable control measures. That is not the government's responsibility, in exactly the same way that the government don't mandate the use of safety glasses or other PPE.

Its down to government to set the parameters of what is actually safe.

This is an entirely separate issue to safety glasses and hilarious to link it to such.  Does the govt in a normal situation demand you cover your face when going into Tesco under threat of fine if you don't? No. Could govt make an identical demand of people in facotries?  Yes of course they could.  Have they? No.  

[craigkillie]

6 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

Poorly ventilated vaccination centres

 

 

 

I once nearly got locked in here after jumping in to use the toilet before I caught the train home. Came back out and they were closing up the place for the night.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

8 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

I hope so, I can't understand why that hasn't been done already. Other countries did it in March, here we are ten months later still debating it.

i'm not wearing a mask whilst walking down a pavement with no c**t near me, get tae f**k

[hk blues]

10 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

I hope so, I can't understand why that hasn't been done already. Other countries did it in March, here we are ten months later still debating it.

 

1 minute ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

i'm not wearing a mask whilst walking down a pavement with no c**t near me, get tae f**k

There's your answer.

[Guest bernardblack]

i'm not wearing a mask whilst walking down a pavement with no c**t near me, get tae f**k

Genuine question, why not?

[101]

19 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

They're mandatory inside shops, factories are no different except you spend ten times as long there with ten times as many people. Masks are not mandatory on factory floors, where my dad has to spend 80% of his time to do his job.

They've contacted HSE and been told they are not in breach of regulations. Well the regulations are clearly wrong then aren't they, and that's NS's responsibility.

Except they are not the same as shops they control who can go in. I would assume your dad's employer is more than confident that 2m distancing can be maintained at all times otherwise masks would be mandatory under the legislation. It's his workplaces interpretation that you have issue with rather than the legislation.

If it's such an issue speak to his colleagues, speak to the union and threaten action.

[Futureboy]

6 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Its down to government to set the parameters of what is actually safe.

This is an entirely separate issue to safety glasses and hilarious to link it to such.  Does the govt in a normal situation demand you cover your face when going into Tesco under threat of fine if you don't? No. Could govt make an identical demand of people in facotries?  Yes of course they could.  Have they? No.  

I'll bow down to your superior knowledge of legislation and re-evaluate my past 20 years of a career as a health and safety advisor. 

Look up goal setting legislation v prescriptive legislation. 

[effeffsee_the2nd]

Just now, bernardblack said:

 

 

Genuine question, why not?

 

why not put a sticky plaster on a gunshot wound then? it makes no fucking difference if i'm out walking on my jack jones. I don't enjoy wearing one, I can put up with it for the time required to get in and out of supermarkets etc but f**k right off , something as simple as going for a bit of fresh air and you need to put those awfull things over your nose and motuh.

I won't be doing it

f**k off

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

3 minutes ago, hk blues said:

 

There's your answer.

I didn't ask for that, indoors only.  But everywhere indoors, how could a factory be any different to a shop?  

[Bairnardo]

Except they are not the same as shops they control who can go in. I would assume your dad's employer is more than confident that 2m distancing can be maintained at all times otherwise masks would be mandatory under the legislation. It's his workplaces interpretation that you have issue with rather than the legislation.
If it's such an issue speak to his colleagues, speak to the union and threaten action.

Precisely. What's been mandated by Scotgov is that employers make the workplace covid secure, pretty sure they are required to demonstrate this to the regulator and most employers are being pushed to make their covid RA public. Deliberately open ended though as all employers and work settings are different. The havent been prescriptive about very much throughout this. If an employee feels that the measures taken by the employer are inadequate, then they should absolutely report the employer and action would be taken by the HSE.

Then theres also raising mask wearing as a safety suggestion... Or just choosing to wear a mask.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

5 minutes ago, bernardblack said:

 

Genuine question, why not?

 

Im doing it right now as i type and its not really hindered me in anyway.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

3 minutes ago, 101 said:

Except they are not the same as shops they control who can go in. I would assume your dad's employer is more than confident that 2m distancing can be maintained at all times otherwise masks would be mandatory under the legislation. It's his workplaces interpretation that you have issue with rather than the legislation.

If it's such an issue speak to his colleagues, speak to the union and threaten action.

But they can't control if people who go in have Covid or not can they?  So they're absolutely identical to shops. 700 people work there, most shops you go in there might be 7.  I assume shops are also confident 2m can be maintained so why do you need masks then? 

Its not his workplace's interpretation, they have checked and they comply with the regulations fully, its the regulations that are wrong. You can't speak to the union if there's nothing to speak to the union about, they are meeting all criteria set by Scotgov, but those criteria do not include the wearing of masks, so they're not wearing them.  

[Dons_1988]

3 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

why not put a sticky plaster on a gunshot wound then? it makes no fucking difference if i'm out walking on my jack jones. I don't enjoy wearing one, I can put up with it for the time required to get in and out of supermarkets etc but f**k right off , something as simple as going for a bit of fresh air and you need to put those awfull things over your nose and motuh.

I won't be doing it

f**k off

Whilst this is maybe more aggressive than I'd put it but I have sympathy with this view.

Wearing a mask is shite but I'm perfectly happy to do it out of consideration for people in proximity but I really see no need to go through the discomfort on a walk where there's no one around or even worse whilst out running by myself.

Edited January 11, 2021 by Dons_1988

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

Precisely. What's been mandated by Scotgov is that employers make the workplace covid secure, pretty sure they are required to demonstrate this to the regulator and most employers are being pushed to make their covid RA public. Deliberately open ended though as all employers and work settings are different. The havent been prescriptive about very much throughout this. If an employee feels that the measures taken by the employer are inadequate, then they should absolutely report the employer and action would be taken by the HSE.

Then theres also raising mask wearing as a safety suggestion... Or just choosing to wear a mask.

You can choose to wear a mask if you want but its irrelevant as your mask doesn't protect you, its protects the people around you. So if the people around you are not wearing masks, and they're not, you are risking your life every time you go to work.  Its not fair to ask someone to do that.

[Rugster]

Just now, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

You can choose to wear a mask if you want but its irrelevant as your mask doesn't protect you, its protects the people around you. So if the people around you are not wearing masks, and they're not, you are risking your life every time you go to work.  Its not fair to ask someone to do that.

Probably not risking their lives more than they have by smoking for 50 plus years to be fair. 

[ICTChris]

@Carnoustie Young Guvnor could your dad wear a mask voluntarily at his work?  Have the company said they don't want people doing that?

Edited, as you've said they can.  Good point about the protection from it.

 

One thing that I've posted stuff about on here before is the term 'Covid secure'.  It seems a lot of places are taking that to be wiping down all surfaces, washing hands, having sanitiser everywhere etc.  But we know that the virus is airborne through aerosol transmission.  So if you are breathing out Covid it doesn't matter how often you wash your hands or sanitise what you touch, an unventilated space can still cause spread.

 

Edited January 11, 2021 by ICTChris

[Wee Bully]

You can choose to wear a mask if you want but its irrelevant as your mask doesn't protect you, its protects the people around you. So if the people around you are not wearing masks, and they're not, you are risking your life every time you go to work.  Its not fair to ask someone to do that.

So, you don’t care about your dad protecting other people? Just about him?

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said:

Whilst this is maybe more aggressive than I'd put it but I have sympathy with this view.

Wearing a mask is shite but I'm perfectly happy to do it out of consideration for people in proximity but I really see no need to go through the discomfort on a walk where there's no one around or even worse whilst out running by myself.

Actually, studies show the safe distances are this

Sitting down 1.5 m

Standing up 2m

Walking 4m

Jogging 10m

They also think if two people are standing talking and one of them is positive a cloud lingers up to ten minutes after they are gone.  They have found cases in factories in Germany that were poorly ventilated, people working hard, and shouting, and people were infected up to 12m away.  Also found in S Korea people got infected at churches by sitting in the same seat an infected person sat in the day before.

So realistically masks should be mandatory everywhere in public all the time even outside. But bellends like the guy above won't accept it.