Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

1 hour ago, Mr Tourette said:

After seeing some news reports today highlighting the shortfalls in vaccine supply in Scotland, I can’t help thinking that the main purpose of the present lockdown is to try and keep people inside for a couple of months until the whole vaccination scenario is up and running properly, and both UKG and SG knew this was going to happen.

And they knew it in December, so let the restriction leash off in the run up to Christmas despite trumpeting 1million by end Jan etc

The headline on The Scotsman website at the moment is that we have 400.000 doses unused, and desperately need to speed up vaccination. 

News reports are very bad things at this moment in time. Full of contradictions. 

[MuckleMoo]

From talking to nurses I know there are a fair amount of elderly patients who get no Covid treatment if they are in poor health. That's all.

Got you. Thought that you had suggested older people weren't getting treatment at all, my mistake. Shit situation

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

Just now, MuckleMoo said:

13 minutes ago, Detournement said:

From talking to nurses I know there are a fair amount of elderly patients who get no Covid treatment if they are in poor health. That's all.

Got you. Thought that you had suggested older people weren't getting treatment at all, my mistake. Shit situation

Many older people with serious underlying health issues were contacted last year to discuss 'do not resuscitate' instructions. 

My dad for one. 

That would explain 'no treatment'.

 

[invergowrie arab]

35 minutes ago, Aufc said:

 

I guess this is technically against the rules but we have just created an extended bubble with my wifes parents, brother and gran. All of us are working from home and not seeing anyone else. They see the kids with informal childcare anyways. More for our sanity than anything.

 

Probably be fine mate 

[Scosha]

1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

Has anyone had difficulties having conversations with family about taking unnecessary risks? I think we are on the verge of having a big blow up with some of my wife’s family soon.

Had a bit of a fallout with my parents at the weekend. I was in an extended household with my girlfriend, who also lives at home with her parents. My parents seem to think the rules about non-cohabiting couples have changed and that it’s only for people who live alone/have kids. In my opinion it doesn’t matter as long if parents are involved in the extended household. I get on well with my parents but being able to get out and see the Mrs was the only thing properly keeping me going throughout this shit show. 

[invergowrie arab]

4 minutes ago, Scosha said:

Had a bit of a fallout with my parents at the weekend. I was in an extended household with my girlfriend, who also lives at home with her parents. My parents seem to think the rules about non-cohabiting couples have changed and that it’s only for people who live alone/have kids. In my opinion it doesn’t matter as long if parents are involved in the extended household. I get on well with my parents but being able to get out and see the Mrs was the only thing properly keeping me going throughout this shit show. 

If you live with your parents they are correct.

Probably be fine though 

[s_dog]

5 hours ago, welshbairn said:

Looks down to the new variant being much more infectious, and more testing probably.

It's interesting to see how Ireland has gone from doing really well  to all of a sudden numbers going hugely out of control (2-300 per day in late Nov to an average of well over 4,000 per day now) . There's been reports that it's not down to the new variant but instead the increased social mixing during Christmas, but a week or so later they're now saying more than 40% cases are linked to it. We've not seen the same kind of increase in Scotland, even though they were saying at Christmas just under 40% were the new variant. 

Is it as simple as the Irish being a bit complacent so they mixed a lot more over Christmas than we did here in Scotland?

[Have some faith in Magic]

7 minutes ago, s_dog said:

It's interesting to see how Ireland has gone from doing really well  to all of a sudden numbers going hugely out of control (2-300 per day in late Nov to an average of well over 4,000 per day now) . There's been reports that it's not down to the new variant but instead the increased social mixing during Christmas, but a week or so later they're now saying more than 40% cases are linked to it. We've not seen the same kind of increase in Scotland, even though they were saying at Christmas just under 40% were the new variant. 

Is it as simple as the Irish being a bit complacent so they mixed a lot more over Christmas than we did here in Scotland?

Did they not keep cases way down in the spring and even October, November, might be some lack of immunity in the mix as well. 

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, s_dog said:

It's interesting to see how Ireland has gone from doing really well  to all of a sudden numbers going hugely out of control (2-300 per day in late Nov to an average of well over 4,000 per day now) . There's been reports that it's not down to the new variant but instead the increased social mixing during Christmas, but a week or so later they're now saying more than 40% cases are linked to it. We've not seen the same kind of increase in Scotland, even though they were saying at Christmas just under 40% were the new variant. 

Is it as simple as the Irish being a bit complacent so they mixed a lot more over Christmas than we did here in Scotland?

Good question, the "new variant" is an interesting one as the crazy high figures that some are seeing in parts of the UK are actually on a par with what Belgium, Czech Republic, France and Slovakia were recording about 6 -8 weeks ago, so did they actually encounter this "new variant" first ???

There's no doubt that the Christmas mixing has caused a major problem (which most of us forecast) but what's not so clear is why it's affecting some areas and indeed countries more than others and also the time differential ??

[welshbairn]

4 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Good question, the "new variant" is an interesting one as the crazy high figures that some are seeing in parts of the UK are actually on a par with what Belgium, Czech Republic, France and Slovakia were recording about 6 -8 weeks ago, so did they actually encounter this "new variant" first ???

There's no doubt that the Christmas mixing has caused a major problem (which most of us forecast) but what's not so clear is why it's affecting some areas and indeed countries more than others and also the time differential ??

Apparently the one thing the UK is ahead in is genome sequencing, which might explain it coming to light in England first. 

[Donathan]

If you live with your parents they are correct.
Probably be fine though 

Wrong. Extended households for non-cohabiting couples are allowed separate to extended households for anyone who lives alone

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/

[Scosha]

9 minutes ago, Donathan said:

 

 

Wrong. Extended households for non-cohabiting couples are allowed separate to extended households for anyone who lives alone

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/

 

 

That’s my thoughts but it’s been a fucking challenge trying to get that through to them. 

[bendan]

29 minutes ago, s_dog said:

It's interesting to see how Ireland has gone from doing really well  to all of a sudden numbers going hugely out of control (2-300 per day in late Nov to an average of well over 4,000 per day now) . There's been reports that it's not down to the new variant but instead the increased social mixing during Christmas, but a week or so later they're now saying more than 40% cases are linked to it. We've not seen the same kind of increase in Scotland, even though they were saying at Christmas just under 40% were the new variant. 

Is it as simple as the Irish being a bit complacent so they mixed a lot more over Christmas than we did here in Scotland?

Didn't they come out of a lockdown and then saw a normal run up to Christmas with pubs open. Google mobility data showed Dublin at normal levels of activity in the days before Christmas.

[invergowrie arab]

12 minutes ago, Donathan said:

 

 

Wrong. Extended households for non-cohabiting couples are allowed separate to extended households for anyone who lives alone

https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/

 

 

Fair enough. I'm going to blame the govt rather than myself here but I genuinely had to read that about 10 times to get my head round it. 

It would be helpful to state explicitly in that second paragraph it relates to situations where there are other adults in the house.

Instead that is implied further on.

In any case @Scosha should buy his mum some flowers and tell her he loves her

[Fife Saint]

Fair enough. I'm going to blame the govt rather than myself here but I genuinely had to read that about 10 times to get my head round it. 
It would be helpful to state explicitly in that second paragraph it relates to situations where there are other adults in the house.
Instead that is implied further on.
In any case [mention=37246]Scosha[/mention] should buy his mum some flowers and tell her he loves her

And explain he was simply desperate for his hole.

[Thereisalight..]

5 hours ago, Snafu said:

Sainsbury's and Morrisons now banning people who refuse to wear masks unless medically exempt.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-55618408

 

I honestly thought this was already happening

[peasy23]

I honestly thought this was already happening

Yesterday was the first time since this started that I went in to Asda and they had a member of staff at the door with a box of masks ready to hand out to anyone without one.

Maybe it's just me, but if somebody claims they can't wear a mask because it causes them breathing problems, perhaps a busy supermarket in the middle of a pandemic isn't the smartest place for them to be?

[hk blues]

18 hours ago, welshbairn said:

I believe @hk blues is a school teacher. Not every workplace is the same.

Yep...but online.  That said, your point still stands.  

[Aufc]

If really, none of you are seeing anyone else, I don't see what's wrong with that.

To be fair, when i say we are in a bubble it is not like we are going round their house all the time. Just means if i am going to pick the kids up then i go in the house rather than wait outside. Yeah we are pretty strict with ourselves seeing anyone else and sticking to the rules. My wife meets one of her mates with kids outside every so often. I play golf every so often. It probably is stretching the household rule but, as i said, it is not like we are going round their house and sitting for hours.

[Hillonearth]

2 hours ago, peasy23 said:

Yesterday was the first time since this started that I went in to Asda and they had a member of staff at the door with a box of masks ready to hand out to anyone without one.

Maybe it's just me, but if somebody claims they can't wear a mask because it causes them breathing problems, perhaps a busy supermarket in the middle of a pandemic isn't the smartest place for them to be?

I always wondered that too - the very conditions that make mask-wearing problematic would also seem to indicate that somebody should be shielding in the first place.

Regarding supermarkets, I reckon they probably need to return to the one-in/one-out limited numbers in-store they did early doors last year, and maybe also get a bit more draconian about insisting on single shopping or two together at the most - seem to be a lot of tinky families of five or six treating it like a big day out as things stand.