Juanhourjoe Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 I do see it as a failure of scotgov not to shut off England, when cases bottomed out here. Which looks worse now it's been done later on. But at least they're learning. Also was surprised, Scotland joined in with the delayed second dose. But again suspect some pressure from Westminster on it. Disappointed there wasn't some push back on that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Raccoon Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 hour ago, dirty dingus said: This is a zoomer and a half. Hopefully phoning the brew in the morning. Definitely has Live, Laugh, Love on her living room wall. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, Juanhourjoe said: I do see it as a failure of scotgov not to shut off England, when cases bottomed out here. Which looks worse now it's been done later on. But at least they're learning. Also was surprised, Scotland joined in with the delayed second dose. But again suspect some pressure from Westminster on it. Disappointed there wasn't some push back on that. I thought the arguments that I saw for the delayed second dose made sense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Bert Raccoon said: Definitely has Live, Laugh, Love on her living room wall. I wouldn’t want to Live with her, Laugh with her, or Love wi..... Wait a minute who ami kidding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Juanhourjoe said: I do see it as a failure of scotgov not to shut off England, when cases bottomed out here. Which looks worse now it's been done later on. But at least they're learning. How could they have done that? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanhourjoe Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, Granny Danger said: I thought the arguments that I saw for the delayed second dose made sense. Aye maybe. Although maybe an unnecessary risk to take. Most of the scientific community commenting on it I heard we're saying, there was no evidence that it would work. Just a stab at something from the government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanhourjoe Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, Sergeant Wilson said: How could they have done that? Just like they have recently. With increasing police monitoring of the border. And like Wales did before us. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, Juanhourjoe said: Just like they have recently. With increasing police monitoring of the border. And like Wales did before us. Do you think the resource is available or that it would be legal to stop all traffic and other transport? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I thought the arguments that I saw for the delayed second dose made sense. Medically I'm not convinced, and neither are the BMJ in Scotland, but I did see some doctor on twitter explaining it made sense in terms of the larger numbers of people having some protection would lead to less serious illness & deaths than the smaller number of people having higher protection from two doses. The only problem I see with it is that the level of protection from the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine is a bit unclear, with the half dose/full dose working better than the two full doses, and whether the timings have anything to do with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_dog Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Do you think the resource is available or that it would be legal to stop all traffic and other transport? It needs public compliance too, and it also needs the UK Gov to stop being so arsey about it. So yeah, there are problems with making it work. The big problem is that even though people are pointing to Australia as a success and model to follow (for obvious reasons), there's still the same kind of people moaning about lockdowns and the state of the economy in Oz as there is here. Maybe just not as many of them. Edited January 10, 2021 by s_dog 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 Just now, s_dog said: It needs public compliance too, and it also needs the UK Gov to stop being so arsey about it. So yeah, there are problems with making it work. The big problem is that even though people are pointing to Australia as a success and model to follow (for obvious reasons), there's still the same kind of people moaning about lockdowns and the state of the economy as there is here. Maybe just not as many of them. In an ideal world the more you can isolate the better. I understand how that's impractical in Scotland @Juanhourjoeseems to think the Government could have enforced border control, I'm not convinced that's practical or legal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Juanhourjoe said: Just like they have recently. With increasing police monitoring of the border. And like Wales did before us. Have they? The roads are open and trains cross the border all day long. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: The royal college of obstetricians actually says that the vaccine is safe for pregnant women and they should get it if the benefits outweigh the risk (ie front line health and care workers), that said some midwifes are telling patients not to get the vaccine. The only contraindication for people with immuno compromised people to be cautious getting the vaccine is for 1 single drug retuxomab (sic) and even then its still safe to be vaccinated the GP just has to manage when its given. The Scottish government leaflet that arrived through the door this week, dated something like 5th January, said that it wasn't recommended for pregnant or breastfeeding women. I presume it was put together before the advice changed, but you can understand the confusion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Wee Bully said: Slightly different tone today She obviously reads this thread 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanhourjoe Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 (edited) I'm not saying people set up right on the border checking every vehicle. But putting it into law I would assume keeps the numbers low. And a couple of traffic cops can take a drive along border roads throughout the day. And stop any car they see on a quiet road. Nice big fine as well if you don't have a good reason to be out. I don't see why any trains should be running either. Edited January 10, 2021 by Juanhourjoe 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 31 minutes ago, Bert Raccoon said: Definitely has Live, Laugh, Love on her living room wall. Picture of the Empire State Building from BnM for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Cabbage Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 45 minutes ago, Binos said: Are Israel not just about finished already If us and Israel are first, a football match between us to celebrate? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 45 minutes ago, Binos said: Are Israel not just about finished already About 20% depending on who's doing the counting. Quote Controversially, Israel’s vaccine campaign does not include the five million Palestinians who live under its control in the occupied West Bank and the blockaded Gaza Strip. Meanwhile, Israel is providing vaccinations to residents of the illegal Jewish settlements that dot the West Bank. Israel says health care in the Palestinian territories is a responsibility of the semi-autonomous Palestinian Authority. Human-rights groups, including Rabbis for Human Rights, have called on Israel to share its vaccine supply with the Palestinians, something Israel has said it might do once its own population is vaccinated. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/world/article-netanyahu-revels-in-israels-coronavirus-vaccine-successes-though-the/?utm_medium=Referrer:+Social+Network+/+Media&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falkirkthebigclub Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 1 minute ago, gav-ffc said: Picture of the Empire State Building from BnM for sure. 'Classic' IKEA wavy mirrors in the bathroom. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 10, 2021 Share Posted January 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Have they? The roads are open and trains cross the border all day long. And the numbers shot up after they 'closed' the border anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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