Elixir Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, Left Back said: Not sure whats so controversial about that statement. Life will be normal in the UK, Europe, US etc long before then but it will take years to get round the rest of the globe. True of course, it's just more the rhetoric and what a lot of the general public will read into it. There is no self-awareness about what that will do to people's mental wellbeing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Sinovac and Sputnik won't be used much in first world countries but it's a mistake to think only Europe and the United States have vaccines on the go that will be produced in the billion range on doses this year. India also has Oxford AZ ramping up in production terms in a big way to that sort of scale right now. Once J&J, Novavax and Valneva etc arrive on the scene western countries will have more doses ordered than they know what to do with. There's resons for optimism. Its not just having the vaccines though (and will take way longer than a year to manufacture the 10 billion plus does required). you also have to have the ability to administer them. That ability currently doesn’t exist in the developing world. Even 2 years seems optimistic to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 There's also the fact that in many countries the virus is simply going to circulate and eventually reach an equilibrium with reduced spread. The pandemic should really be over in an epidemiological sense by the end of this year in the northern hemisphere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Left Back said: Its not just having the vaccines though (and will take way longer than a year to manufacture the 10 billion plus does required). you also have to have the ability to administer them. That ability currently doesn’t exist in the developing world. Even 2 years seems optimistic to me. I really don't care about what is happening in the developing world tbh. If we need to ban or enforce strict quarantine on anyone arriving from an area insufficiently vaccinated then so be it. It really isn't my problem, nor is it a reason to keep me from doing what I want to do any longer than strictly necessary. That might sound selfish but i'm willing to bet few of us gave a second thought to life in these places previously, or how unfair it is, as we happily got on with our lives. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Sherrif John Bunnell said: Devi's main aim now seems to be trolling P&B posters. Surely, in this instance, decisions should be made on data from, erm, this country? I mean if the data shows that massive increases in cases are amongst school age children (and I'm sure at one point it was) then you need to take action. You can't have that situation and then say "Oh but in Norway..." and do nothing about it just because of what's going on there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Left Back said: ...you also have to have the ability to administer them. That ability currently doesn’t exist in the developing world... They have fridges in Africa and access to hypodermic needles and syringes. Pfizer and Moderna would have been problematic but Sinovac and Sputnik should be OK. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Raccoon Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 hours ago, superbigal said: Todays Headlines: Even Scotgov cannot find something miserable to say today. Absolutely no way lockdown should be extended beyond 15th Feb now. INFECTIONS IN SCOTLAND HAVE more than HALVED. Down 52.30%. Only 3 councils now over 200 cases per 100K Even North Lanarkshire under 250 !! Now accessed the other home nations for the cases per 100K latest and will document their daily progress. These are a little behind the Scottish cases. England 373.2 to 354.2 down 5.09%, Wales 204.8 to 191.0 down 6.74% , Northern Ireland 271.7 to 262.2 down 3.50%, all 3 dropping. Wales in particular is dropping quickly and has indicated some possible relaxation from 22nd February. For interest of the bigger European countries Portugal 878 having a torrid time and this may go over 1,000, Spain 527 dropping , Czech 442 are the big hitters. Scotland peaked at 301.9 for figures 29th Dec to 4th Jan From 20th to 26th January we were down to 152.5 Todays figure for 21st Jan to 27th Jan is 144.0 Another huge single Day drop of 5.57%. Infections have dropped every day (now TWENTY THREE days in a row) since the aforementioned peak. Total drop is now 52.30% Click cases by neighbourhood to see the spread on the geographical map. https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview North Lanarkshire 258.7 to 249.0 Glasgow City 236.1 to 222.1 South Lanarkshire 216.5 to 204.7 North Ayrshire 194.4 to 194.4 East Ayrshire 207.4 to 184.4 Down a huge 11% and through the 200 barrier Clackmannanshire 188.2 to 182.4 West Dunbartonshire 203.5 to 178.8 Down a huge 12% and through the 200 barrier Renfrewshire 186.5 to 177.6 Dropped over 25% in 3 days. East Renfrewshire 170.6 to 171.7 Falkirk 170.9 to 166.0 East Dunbartonshire 174.0 to 164.8 Near 20% drop in 2 days. Dumfries & Galloway 165.9 to 151.0 Good drop. Langholm & Eskdale still over 1042 Cases per 100K and Scotland's No 2 . Angus 167.8 to 145.4 Great 13% drop Inverclyde 147.8 to 137.5 South Ayrshire 152.7 to 135.9 Another fantastic 11% drop Stirling 132.7 to 135.9 West Lothian 124.5 to 125.6 Midlothian 112.5 to 119.0 Aberdeen City 121.6 to 117.6 Danestone risen to 1287 cases per 100K and takes top spot in Scotland. Moray 120.0 to 116.9 Dundee City 115.9 to 109.2 Dropped by over 30% in just 4 days. Outstanding. Perth & Kinross 113.9 to 100.7 Great fall over 10% and so close to 100 barrier Scottish Borders 103.0 to 97.8 Another through the 100 barrier Fife 95.3 to 85.4 Again down another 10% outstanding Aberdeenshire 95.7 to 80.4 Wow down 16% at these low levels City Of Edinburgh 88.4 to 83.6 Highlands 78.9 to 75.5 Invergordon falling. East Lothian 67.2 to 74.7 Argyll & Bute 68.7 to 69.9 Western Isles 18.7 to 44.9 Oh Jean put us in Lockdown.. Oh wait. Orkney Island 31.4 to 35.9 Shetland Islands 21.8 to 17.5 Your updates are a rare glimmer of hope so than you 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Malaria hasn't yet been eradicated worldwide. In fact, millions die each year from it. And in truth, no rich and developed country really gives a f**k, sadly. If people....from rich, developed countries...travel to a malaria infected area, you get vaccinated beforehand. I fail to see why covid should be treated differently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I really don't care about what is happening in the developing world tbh. If we need to ban or enforce strict quarantine on anyone arriving from an area insufficiently vaccinated then so be it. It really isn't my problem, nor is it a reason to keep me from doing what I want to do any longer than strictly necessary. That might sound selfish but i'm willing to bet few of us gave a second thought to life in these places previously, or how unfair it is, as we happily got on with our lives. Most people couldn't care less about anyone else as long as they're not effected. Once most of the developed nations are vaccinated and going about their business covid will be forgotten about until another one comes along. I really hope that isn't the case though but can anyone really see after getting our economies ruined people will accept billions in aid to Africa when theres food banks and mass unemployment? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 Che Guevaxa?That's the best I could come up with.Vax Bien Fidel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, RiG said: Surely, in this instance, decisions should be made on data from, erm, this country? I mean if the data shows that massive increases in cases are amongst school age children (and I'm sure at one point it was) then you need to take action. You can't have that situation and then say "Oh but in Norway..." and do nothing about it just because of what's going on there. The SG have been extremely skilled in finding and using data from somewhere in Europe to support their decisions throughout. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: Most people couldn't care less about anyone else as long as they're not effected. Once most of the developed nations are vaccinated and going about their business covid will be forgotten about until another one comes along. I really hope that isn't the case though but can anyone really see after getting our economies ruined people will accept billions in aid to Africa when theres food banks and mass unemployment? Why not? They accepted it before the pandemic when we have food banks and mass unemployment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugster Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Elric said: QUESTION FOR THOSE WITH SOME LEGAL KNOWLEDGE The company I work for supply components for vehicle manufacturing and as such have to travel from Falkirk to Glasgow to collect the parts and then distribute them about the factory upon my return . It is open to conjecture if vehicle manufacturing is essential work at this time. The crux of the matter is I have now been informed I will have to work at the warehouse in the Glasgow area to carry out a "stock check" for the foreseeable future. The stock check is basically a red herring just to get me to work in the warehouse. I have argued that this is non essential, would be breaching the SG's guidelines and therefore I will not be attending. Any advice on where I legally stand on this would be greatly appreciated. Non essential manufacturing has not been closed. Non essential retail has. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Left Back said: Why not? They accepted it before the pandemic when we have food banks and mass unemployment. Hope so because it would be short sighted not to try and help. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: They have fridges in Africa and access to hypodermic needles and syringes. Pfizer and Moderna would have been problematic but Sinovac and Sputnik should be OK. They don’t have the healthcare system or other infrastructure to administer vaccines even if they have enough fridges and needles (doubtful). -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, Left Back said: They don’t have the healthcare system or other infrastructure to administer vaccines even if they have enough fridges and needles (doubtful). Aye they do. Do you think folk in Africa are living in mud huts? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 They don’t have the healthcare system or other infrastructure to administer vaccines even if they have enough fridges and needles (doubtful).f**k sake 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Detournement said: Aye they do. Do you think folk in Africa are living in mud huts? 7 minutes ago, pandarilla said: 11 minutes ago, Left Back said: They don’t have the healthcare system or other infrastructure to administer vaccines even if they have enough fridges and needles (doubtful). f**k sake https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/taking-challenges-health-care-africa nothing has really changed since that was written Edited January 30, 2021 by Left Back 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Left Back said: They don’t have the healthcare system or other infrastructure to administer vaccines even if they have enough fridges and needles (doubtful). ...but mysteriously still seem to cope with Ebola outbreaks. Have you ever actually been to Africa? Your comment might be applicable to somewhere war torn like South Sudan or Somalia but is completely bizarre in the context of somewhere like Botswana or Kenya. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted January 30, 2021 Share Posted January 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: ...but mysteriously still seem to cope with Ebola outbreaks. Have you ever actually been to Africa? Your comment might be applicable to somewhere war torn like South Sudan or Somalia but is completely bizarre in the context of somewhere like Botswana or Kenya. Many times. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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