welshbairn Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, G51 said: 100%. The solution to the world shortage of vaccines is obvious - remove all patents on coronavirus vaccines. Prioritise people over capital. There's more to it than that, look at the trouble AZ are having with low yield in their Italian factory, there aren't that many firms with the expertise and equipment to make vaccines safely and they're probably all at it full time already. I agree that patents shouldn't be blocking production though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 A fantastic thread and read, as ever: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 hour ago, madwullie said: So why are all the experts not acting like it is actually a big deal. Honestly, hyper optimism is just as dangerous as hyper pessimism. We can't just wave everything negative away - experts are saying it's a real issue. People didn't have natural immunity to the new variant, and vaccine immunity was lowered. It'd be great to just say we'll that's fine we can tweak vaccines, make boosters - well yes, we can, but what happens with restrictions in the meantime? This sort of thing is why the clamour for targets to lift restrictions are falling on deaf ears. We don't have all the data, and the data isn't always going to be what we project it will be. The received wisdom on here is that talk of new variants being a concern is just fear porn - but when studies come back with this kind of data, it's just brushed aside as incidental. Maybe we need a bit of a reality check? I don't like it, but that's obviously what these experts are thinking. To the point that they may become re-infected, but the immune system at this point isn't going to treat it as a completely novel virus as per first exposure. Subsequent re-infections were expected over time - it has been a year now after all - but these are invariably going to be more mild and or asymptomatic in nature. Healthcare services will not be overwhelmed because of re-infections. Well, at least in the context of those individuals. If they pass it on to someone with no prior exposure, then obviously that could lead to greater illness for that host. But over time as exposure and immunity builds, 'variants' will not prolong the pandemic. Remember immunity is a 'spectrum', it doesn't just mean you either can or can't catch something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Covid denier dies of.......... covid https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/28/covid-kills-covid-denier-who-refused-to-wear-mask-or-socially-distance-13980467/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Devi Sridhar tweets really bring out some of the most ever so ever so c***s in the planet. The crossover with Janey Godley twitter gives clear indication that nothing uttered there should ever been considered anything other than parody. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Good and bad news from Israel, the vaccines work on the UK strain, only 2% of those hospitalised have been vaccinated and they're in the high risk older population. Bad news is hospitalisation in the general population remains high, so it could be a while before restrictions are lifted. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-29/world-s-most-vaccinated-nation-struggles-with-new-virus-variants 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Devi Sridhar tweets really bring out some of the most ever so ever so c***s in the planet. The crossover with Janey Godley twitter gives clear indication that nothing uttered there should ever been considered anything other than parody. I had to block her, I just can't deal with it. The very worst and most nauseating sanctimony. 'Get out and see some otters guys and fucking be happy about it!' 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Covid denier dies of.......... covid https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/28/covid-kills-covid-denier-who-refused-to-wear-mask-or-socially-distance-13980467/What a numpty. The Venn diagram of Covid deniers and climate change deniers is a perfect circle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Good and bad news from Israel, the vaccines work on the UK strain, only 2% of those hospitalised have been vaccinated and they're in the high risk older population. Bad news is hospitalisation in the general population remains high, so it could be a while before restrictions are lifted. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-29/world-s-most-vaccinated-nation-struggles-with-new-virus-variants I'm not really sure the pretty obvious is bad news. "Vaccine not protecting those not yet vaccinated" is a route I don't expect even the UK media to go down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 "Even the Hulk needed the Avengers" Someone end that c**t now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Elixir said: I had to block her, I just can't deal with it. She blocked me months ago when I pointed out that she'd massively twisted something to make a point. Being blocked by both her and Godley makes twitter a much more pleasant place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 48 minutes ago, Michael W said: If variants are such a concern, entirely bar international travel to countries where they are causing problems or it's known the vaccine won't work. In the meantime, tweak the vaccine so that the countries struggling can vaccinate their population and resolve the matter. It is not acceptable to continue enforcing restrictions in the UK because a new variant has been discovered elsewhere. Stop it coming in and go from there. I agree it shouldn't be an automatic response but it would depend on factors such as where i,.e. somewhere in Europe will be more concerning than somewhere in Southeast Asia and what is known about the variant's make up i.e. is the incubation period similar to current strains? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I'm not really sure the pretty obvious is bad news. "Vaccine not protecting those not yet vaccinated" is a route I don't expect even the UK media to go down. Given that most of their elderly population have been protected, and according to many on here it's supposed to be only coffin dodgers up till now who get it badly enough to need hospitalisation, I'd say it's bad news for anyone hoping for a relaxation of restrictions as soon as the wrinklies are vaccinated. Edited January 29, 2021 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I'm not really sure the pretty obvious is bad news. "Vaccine not protecting those not yet vaccinated" is a route I don't expect even the UK media to go down. If it takes 10 days for the vaccine to start working well after the first dose and around 11 days for an infection to result in hospitalisation you need to wind back at least three weeks to see what portion of the high risk demographics were vaccinated at that point. Add another 10 days or so on deaths and we are still looking at what was happening a month ago. Edited January 29, 2021 by LongTimeLurker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Cabbage Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) Elderly Gran and Grandad vaccinated this morning which is great news, my Grandad isn’t keeping great these days so it’s a bit of a relief, they were given the Brexit one. Bet Bill Gates can’t wait to get his teeth into tracking their trip to Lidl and how they enjoy their evenings watching Coronation Street. Edited January 29, 2021 by Les Cabbage 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, Les Cabbage said: Elderly Gran and Grandad vaccinated this morning which is great news, my Grandad isn’t keeping great these days so it’s a bit of a relief, they were given the Brexit one. Bet Bill Gates can’t wait to get his teeth into tracking their trip to Lidl and how they enjoy their evenings watching Coronation Street. If anything the Gates conspiracy loonballs should be clamouring to get a bit of Windows 10 into their veins, their anti-virus is actually really good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 (edited) Looking at our hospitalisations (and being slightly liberal with the 45-64 group treating it as 50-64), once we complete phase 1 of out vaccination programme, a 98% drop in hospitalisations among that group would reduce that 17,257 to just 345. When you consider that there will be those under 50 vaccinated too, the number of hospitalisations becomes very small indeed and, as we work towards every adult, almost completely insignificant. I don't see where the bad news is here at all. If anything, it's absolutely fantastic news. The only people who could possibly think this is bad are those who want absolutely no one to get ill from covid, which, to me anyway, is completely unrealistic and therefore should be politely dismissed. Edited January 29, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 Wales looking at sending the weans back to the covid petri dishes in Feb. We won't be far behind that I'm sure. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 26 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: If it takes 10 days for the vaccine to start working well after the first dose and around 11 days for an infection to result in hospitalisation you need to wind back at least three weeks to see what portion of the high risk demographics were vaccinated at that point. Add another 10 days or so on deaths and we are still looking at what was happening a month ago. Nail on head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted January 29, 2021 Share Posted January 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Marshmallo said: Wales looking at sending the weans back to the covid petri dishes in Feb. We won't be far behind that I'm sure. But Devi told us if we start unlocking before Easter we'll be back in lockdown in May. What's it gonna be? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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