Burnieman Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 We have had a terrible death rate with comparable nations and the worst economic hit of the four UK nations, which itself is the worst in the G7. I don't really know how else it can be explained.How do you control death rate when we're not in control of borders? If we had the ability to shut international borders, and the English border in March then aye, we'd have fuxked it. But we didn't and don't. Yet.They're not blameless by any means, very few Govts are, but it's not a "complete disaster" as they weren't in complete control of the response. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 25 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: Here's a relative comparison for you. It's not relative though is it? You have a list of fully independent countries (and Palestine that is basically stateless) completely pointless and infact the most outspoken advisors, in public anyway, promotes New Zealand style lockdown initially that would have kept deaths low. Until we are independent and have full control of our borders and economic policy it's impossible to compare Scotland with countries that have access to both of those things. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: The Brexiteer using "we'll" as if his senile thoughts are shared by the majority of the SNP membership Silly auld p***k needs to get off his high horse. 1 hour ago, Burnieman said: 2 hours ago, 8MileBU said: Pro-independence but anti-SNP. The pandemic has become nothing short of a shameless power/ego trip for them now. That's self defeating if you truly want Independence. Except it isn’t and this is the same point that silly auld c**t Danger missed. A fresh new batch amongst the SNP might shake things up for the better. Wanting independence and being far from sold on the current SNP/SG are two entirely different things. Edited February 6, 2021 by 8MileBU 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, 101 said: It's not relative though is it? You have a list of fully independent countries (and Palestine that is basically stateless) completely pointless and infact the most outspoken advisors, in public anyway, promotes New Zealand style lockdown initially that would have kept deaths low. Until we are independent and have full control of our borders and economic policy it's impossible to compare Scotland with countries that have access to both of those things. Was it border policy that forced the SG to fire Covid patients into care homes, reopen schools with no credible infection control measures or allow the complete disaster of putting university students into dorms, for physical lessons that never took place anyway? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, virginton said: Was it border policy that forced the SG to fire Covid patients into care homes, reopen schools with no credible infection control measures or allow the complete disaster of putting university students into dorms, for physical lessons that never took place anyway? No it was Jason Leitch and hopefully he’ll be found criminally responsible for it. Everything bad was him and Devi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 My Dad (75) vaccinated this morning in Perthshire He's happy tonight and by the time of our cup final he should have some protection. He's had issues with vaccinations before but no issues so far. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWL Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 For what used to be a useful place for info and differing views, this thread has just turned into major bed wetting from the "Main Players™" over policy announcements that haven't even happened yet. Do I fully expect to see restrictions start to ease from March if case and hospital numbers continue on their path? Yes. Will this take a few months but pubs etc will be open in the late Spring early summer though with some restrictions like numbers. - Yes. If Vaccine numbers show effectiveness like they have in Israel in terms of transmission do I expect folk to be free to travel abroad in the summer. Yes. A bit like the vaccines (the 1st Feb mass roll-out pick up was known weeks ahead), there could be some real dissapointed main players™ but I'm sure theyll find something else to moan about. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, virginton said: Was it border policy that forced the SG to fire Covid patients into care homes, reopen schools with no credible infection control measures or allow the complete disaster of putting university students into dorms, for physical lessons that never took place anyway? I agree those were failures of the state. But the genomic sequencing done shows that the majority of the second spike was caused by foreign holidays. "many cases could be traced to summer holidays and other travel abroad in July and August" COG-UK consortium. I would then ask if we had adopted stricter border controls would the appalling bad decisions to let students go back without testing have been as bad, probably not, but it was still a stupid decision. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 AZ vaccine seemingly no good against SA variant,Nicola and Wee Jason will be thumbing through their 2022 calendars in the morning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 Except it isn’t and this is the same point that silly auld c**t Danger missed. A fresh new batch amongst the SNP might shake things up for the better. Wanting independence and being far from sold on the current SNP/SG are two entirely different things. If you want Independence, then you vote SNP. It's not rocket science.I don't disagree that the top end of the party needs a shake up, but as far as May is concerned, it could be your last chance. They are a means to an end. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erih Shtrep Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 37 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: 40 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Nothing comparable between Scotland and any of those countries. I also very much doubt the Palestine figures. Population is the comparison. Love how yoons use "Scotland doing bad in the UK" as a reason why "Scotland MUST stay in the UK". You guys are mental. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 AZ vaccine seemingly no good against SA variant,Nicola and Wee Jason will be thumbing through their 2022 calendars in the morning. "No good" define no good....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, ayrmad said: AZ vaccine seemingly no good against SA variant,Nicola and Wee Jason will be thumbing through their 2022 calendars in the morning. Its not no good, its not as effective which is not the same thing Incidentally they're already tweaking it to alleviate the differentials. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Burnieman said: 8 minutes ago, ayrmad said: AZ vaccine seemingly no good against SA variant,Nicola and Wee Jason will be thumbing through their 2022 calendars in the morning. "No good" define no good....... No protection, not peer reviewed yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, Burnieman said: 7 minutes ago, ayrmad said: AZ vaccine seemingly no good against SA variant,Nicola and Wee Jason will be thumbing through their 2022 calendars in the morning. "No good" define no good....... Yep. No good is an interesting term for a small study where no patients died or were hospitalised. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 8 minutes ago, ayrmad said: AZ vaccine seemingly no good against SA variant,Nicola and Wee Jason will be thumbing through their 2022 calendars in the morning. Mind calming down, it still prevents hospitalisations and deaths. Which for the moment is what we want and need. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tynierose said: Its not no good, its not as effective which is not the same thing Incidentally they're already tweaking it to alleviate the differentials. I know they're tweaking it but it's not supposed to be very effective at all, I'm only going from what was being said on 5live, haven't read about it myself. Edited February 6, 2021 by ayrmad -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 1 minute ago, 101 said: Mind calming down, it still prevents hospitalisations and deaths. Which for the moment is what we want and need. Why would you think I'm not calm, I'm as happy locked away myself as I am partying with everyone. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 No protection, not peer reviewed yet. [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 (edited) Quote The Oxford/AstraZeneca Covid-19 vaccine does not appear to offer protection against mild and moderate disease caused by the viral variant first identified in South Africa, according to a study due to be published on Monday. Although none of the more than 2,000 patients in the study died or was hospitalised, the findings could complicate the race to roll out vaccines as new strains emerge. In both the human trials and tests on the blood of those vaccinated, the jab showed significantly reduced efficacy against the 501Y.V2 viral variant, which is dominant in South Africa, according to the randomised, double-blind study seen by the Financial Times. Here's a crib from the FT. Article linked below - I could view it even though I'm not subscribed. https://www.ft.com/content/e9bbd4fe-e6bf-4383-bfd3-be64140a3f36 Article also says Novavax and J&J less effective. Pfizer and Moderna seemingly also less effective too. However... No-one was hospitalised or died. If people get mild symptoms is this really a big deal? I don't think it is. Edited February 6, 2021 by Michael W 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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