Todd_is_God Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Kneal Down Caster said: Can somebody with more knowledge than me advise. If the coronavirus efficacy is almost 90% with two doses, could we see further research and the flu jab getting up to this level ? Imagine getting back to normality and eradicating seasonal flu also !!! I think the opportunity with the flu vaccine is that influenza is a broad term covering a range of viruses and strains, the problematic ones each year having to be guessed in order to produce the vaccine. I've no doubt they could get there if there was a desire to do so, but the cost of achieving it vs the reward is prohibitive. Edited February 15, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkmenbashi Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Kneal Down Caster said: Can somebody with more knowledge than me advise. If the coronavirus efficacy is almost 90% with two doses, could we see further research and the flu jab getting up to this level ? Imagine getting back to normality and eradicating seasonal flu also !!! I might be talking out my arse here, but I am sure I read that the technology used in Pfizer vaccine which is apparently relatively novel could be used to more effectively tweak the flu vaccine or something like that. Other problem is that the flu has virtually disappeared for now so nobody can be confident which strain will reappear when it eventually does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Turkmenbashi said: I might be talking out my arse here, but I am sure I read that the technology used in Pfizer vaccine which is apparently relatively novel could be used to more effectively tweak the flu vaccine or something like that. Other problem is that the flu has virtually disappeared for now so nobody can be confident which strain will reappear when it eventually does. No idea if the rna technology could help the flu vaccine but seeing as society has already accepted the risk of the current flu vaccines efficacy not being great I could imagine a reluctance to pay for rna vaccines for flu every year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 I think I posted the link on here about a month back, but moderna announced they are developing RNA vaccines for seasonal flu, nipah virus and HIV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernLights Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-56078511 More loopholes in the Scottish Government hotel quarantine plan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 34 minutes ago, Michael W said: We've had more than four million cases in the UK already, including a significant proportion of those in groups that are low risk of serious illness. What evidence is there that we are at heightened risk of mutations going forward? At any rate, mutations happen as we've well seen. Thats the four million cases which we know about, theres going to have been so many more people who were completely asymptomatic that havent registered on the testing etc. Think back to March/April/May and the criteria for testing whereby you had to be exhibiting symptoms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scosha Posted February 15, 2021 Share Posted February 15, 2021 (edited) These scientists can get fucked. Hospitality industry gone forever if so. Edited February 15, 2021 by Scosha 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Scosha said: These scientists can get fucked. Hospitality industry gone forever if so. "Downing Street is being warned by scientists that new variants of the virus will return next winter, likely to necessitate new restrictions." Leaving aside the fact there is nothing to suggest any hypothetical future variants will be vaccine resistant, by very definition something cannot be both new and returning. The scientists know their days in the sun are numbered. Edited February 16, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Scosha said: These scientists can get fucked. Hospitality industry gone forever if so. I hope after this is all over we don't hear from these p***ks ever again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 " No vaccine programme is 100% effective". Jesus fucking Christ, man. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 " No vaccine programme is 100% effective". Jesus fucking Christ, man. I guess he's never heard of smallpox then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I’m fed up with so called “scientists”. I only want to hear from Van Morrison and QAnon. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 1 hour ago, WATTOO said: Believe it or not but many don't have "smart phones" with bluetooth etc, this includes the poorest in society and many in the over 65's bracket, however this seems to have been completely overlooked by many and that includes Governments and their often extremely disconnected so called "advisors". This has also been apparent with the track and trace / test and protect apps. Good point, if you don’t have a smart device and internet access then it’s tricky. I believe that there are track and trace teams who did the old fashioned phone or door knocking though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 It's all getting a bit Great Reset now. I thought they would have held off longer before announcing restrictions will be permanent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Once we’ve seen the population take up the vaccine and we’re down to the only ones unvaccinated being weirdos or the under 16’s I’d imagine they’d maybe keep some of the restrictions such as mask wearing and social distancing until October. Anything beyond the end of this year can get in the sea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Once we’ve seen the population take up the vaccine and we’re down to the only ones unvaccinated being weirdos or the under 16’s I’d imagine they’d maybe keep some of the restrictions such as mask wearing and social distancing until October. Anything beyond the end of this year can get in the sea. Absolutely no chance they'll have everyone done by October, I'm 26 and I'm not expecting mines for years tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Mutations will happen in a virus. From the minute amount of virology I did at uni, I seem to recall if you put pressure on it, though vaccination or lockdown, but still having circulate at a substantive level you run the risk of adaptive mutations. If it is allowed free rein through a population, you see random mutations.Zero covid is the only way to avoid that but, as has been pointed out, given the levels of the virus we have here and on our door step, that's pretty much unachievable right now.Happy for anyone with any knowledge to let me know im talking out my arse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 No evidence schools spread lots of Coronavirus, but the virus is so clever it can't be stopped if a place sells alcohol. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: I’m fed up with so called “scientists”. I only want to hear from Van Morrison and QAnon. Hopefully via an album of Ian Brown covers. With school kids as backing singers recorded live in a pub/gym. Edited February 16, 2021 by Melanius Mullarkey 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 7 hours ago, Scosha said: These scientists can get fucked. Hospitality industry gone forever if so. Why on earth would the hospitality industry be gone for ever. -8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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