ayrmad Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: My wife is getting hers. She has a second mammogram next week - she needs a second op - they used a magseed but have left the clip in her because the magseed was not placed close enough - the lumpectomy only removed healthy tissue. To say she and I are fuming is an understatement. Thankfully the lymph nodes biopsy they took is clear but it means she won't get radiotherapy until around May/June now. She also got a call from the GP today - she's getting her first Covid-19 jab tomorrow. As long as you clap when you're telt. Edited February 17, 2021 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 BBC website. Troubles me that I'm agreeing with Tories on a more frequent basis. But - correct me if I'm wrong - where's this kind of chat from SG? The UK is "going to have to live with some level" of Covid infection and deaths in the future, according to the Conservative chair of the Science and Technology Committee. Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s World at One after hearing evidence from scientists earlier today, MP Greg Clark said: “I don’t think you’re ever going to have a precise figure [for acceptable levels], just as we don’t target a figure for road deaths. But the key insight from that is that it’s not zero.” “If we’re going to live with Covid... then we are going to have to live with some level of infection, and not pursue policies that are predicated on completely eradicating it, which is likely to be impossible.” “It is for Parliament and leaders to indicate through the policy decisions they make, what kind of tolerance they have. "It’s clearly not zero, otherwise we wouldn’t be driving cars, and we wouldn’t be going out in the winter for fear of flu.” 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MONKMAN Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 3 minutes ago, Steven W said: I've been - and what you're saying is quite correct. But that shouldn't mean that a wet Wednesday afternoon meeting at, say, Kelso couldn't go ahead with a crowd. I agree. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: I love the cynicism haha. In all seriousness, though, why only do this now? That would surely be more impactful when we had 10 cases per day, than 1,000? I find it thoroughly infuriating that all these things that should've been implemented in March last year are now being thrown upon us with the premise that we need to do it to deal it. It's an admission of how wrong we got things last year being dressed up as "doing the right thing" this year. 1 hour ago, Caledonian1 said: "Jackie Baillie also focuses on the Audit Scotland report saying it makes clear "a pandemic should have been anticipated"." Aye, thats right Jackie.....I recall you going on and on about an imminent pandemic for months before anyone had heard of Covid-19...would they listen? 18 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: I would never defend Jackie Baillie, but whilst Covid could not be anticipated there was meant to be a strategy in place for dealing with such a pandemic. The U.K. officially saw a global pandemic as the biggest likely major threat to society; more so than mass terrorism or a rogue nuclear state. The U.K. government ran Operation Cygnus in 2016 and its findings were: “The UK’s preparedness and response, in terms of its plans, policies and capability, is currently not sufficient to cope with the extreme demands of a severe pandemic that will have a nationwide impact across all sectors...” Despite this finding the U.K. government did not follow up on these failings. Maybe if they had... Jackie Baillie can f**k off. She's been an MP and MSP for pretty much all my adult life and I don't remember her chanting about a pandemic plan at any point before now. She's a sly wee f**k, she started closing down our local hospital when her party was in power and when the SNP took over and continued her work, she turned her entire election campaign on keeping the hospital open. She was stood outside my polling booth in 2014 and the delight I felt smiling at her after I voted could only have been beaten if I'd claymore'd her fat wee toads head straight off her shoulders. 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 For me Labour have potentially come out of this in an even worse light than the Tories. They're not in power in either HR or WM so have no real responsibility for anything and all they ever do is constantly carp and moan with pretty much zero constructive suggestions. It's utterly pathetic. Absolute balloons like Jackie Baillie coming away with all this 2020 hindsight when she knows full well that Labour never said anything about it before the pandemic hit and the SG don't even have the full range of powers to deal properly with a pandemic independently anyway. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 True. But all of those activities take place outside. I'm yet to hear of any outdoor activity of any size be linked to a covid outbreak, including the aforementioned beaches, BLM activities & statue defending, and indeed any protests across Europe and the USA lot of the facilities at racing courses are inside and that includes some of the bookies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Gordon EF said: For me Labour have potentially come out of this in an even worse light than the Tories. They're not in power in either HR or WM so have no real responsibility for anything and all they ever do is constantly carp and moan with pretty much zero constructive suggestions. It's utterly pathetic. Absolute balloons like Jackie Baillie coming away with all this 2020 hindsight when she knows full well that Labour never said anything about it before the pandemic hit and the SG don't even have the full range of powers to deal properly with a pandemic independently anyway. And Welsh labour do more extreme versions of what Scotland and England do, so presumably if they were in power they would be following something similar to the Welsh system which has been useless 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bairn88 Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 12 minutes ago, Steven W said: BBC website. Troubles me that I'm agreeing with Tories on a more frequent basis. But - correct me if I'm wrong - where's this kind of chat from SG? The UK is "going to have to live with some level" of Covid infection and deaths in the future, according to the Conservative chair of the Science and Technology Committee. Speaking to BBC Radio 4’s World at One after hearing evidence from scientists earlier today, MP Greg Clark said: “I don’t think you’re ever going to have a precise figure [for acceptable levels], just as we don’t target a figure for road deaths. But the key insight from that is that it’s not zero.” “If we’re going to live with Covid... then we are going to have to live with some level of infection, and not pursue policies that are predicated on completely eradicating it, which is likely to be impossible.” “It is for Parliament and leaders to indicate through the policy decisions they make, what kind of tolerance they have. "It’s clearly not zero, otherwise we wouldn’t be driving cars, and we wouldn’t be going out in the winter for fear of flu.” That statement is pretty much spot on. A relief that they're seeing sense, and really poor that SG hasn't said anything of the sort. Covid deaths (probably in their thousands) will happen for winters to come. Tens of thousands of flu deaths happen every year without an eyelid bat. This is an acceptable trade off for life to be worth living again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 35 minutes ago, madwullie said: His definition of what a false positive is is incorrect. He's talking about positive cases that are so lightly infected that they have no symptoms or even transmissibility, which is different from a test returning a positive result for someone that is covid negative. I'm not saying what he's saying in general is wrong, (I've only lightly skimmed it and my own knowledge is v limited) but that's a pretty basic piece of knowledge to get wrong when writing a scathing criticism of a widely used test. Like, if he's got something that fundamental wrong, how can we be sure anything else he says is right. Is part of his argument not that the test be triggered by traces of non Covid viruses and also minimal amounts of Covid which don't amount to an infection? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Thereisalight.. said: You guys think Craig Tara is grim? You should be thankful it’s not the Butlins that was on the same site. That place was ten times worse That's sacrilege. Bultins was the first place I ever got drunk, went with a mates family and bumped into a guy who was a few years above us at school who kept going up and getting us pints of cider and blackcurrant while we hid behind the foliage in the beachcomber bar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SANTAN Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 What's the latest on how long the vaccine is meant to be effective for? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 What's the latest on how long the vaccine is meant to be effective for? Less than 90 minutes in the outdoors 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 hour ago, David W said: Not being prepared for a pandemic...It's almost like endless elections and referendums affects getting stuff done. What, was Clownshoes Leitch and the gang out campaigning for Yes and Remain over the past few years? It would certainly explain why both lost. The idea that a 21st century democracy is incapable of carrying out long-term policy and hold short-term elections at the same time is idiotic and an argument for Putin-esque 'managed democracy' instead. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 (edited) On 16/02/2021 at 14:23, superbigal said: Todays Headlines: It is all over. 40 days of daily drops no more as we rise for the 1st day. Not a great day as Wales continues accelerating past us. England & NI catching at a rate of knots. Total cases are 5,558 and the positive test rate is still 5.5% The only real good news story is the amazing progress of little East Dunbartonshire and South Ayrshire from that part of the country. Dundee & Aberdeen continue to be the shining lights. Why is West Dunbartonshire like a different planet to the East in case numbers, they previously were both top 10 areas.? Glasgow continues to do well and has dropped from top spot to 11th place. Private prisons appear to be a complete shambles. England 157.5 to 148.8 have dropped 5.52% in last 24 hours. Wales 96.8 to 92.9 have dropped 4.03% in last 24 hours , Northern Ireland 133.8 to 128.2 have dropped 4.19% in last 24 hours. UK Average is now 142.0 Scotland peaked at 301.9 for figures 29th Dec to 4th Jan Yesterdays figure for 7th Feb to 13th Feb was 100.9 Todays figure for 8th Feb to 14th Feb is 101.7 Up 0.79% Council progress in last 24 hours as follows. Click cases by neighbourhood to see the spread on the geographical map. https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview East Ayrshire 303.3 to 302.4 Serco and their Screws responsible for majority of this. Clackmannanshire 219.2 to 240.6 This small council area needs some head knocking. West Dunbartonshire 227.1 to 223.8 Falkirk 193.3 to 192.7 West Lothian 159.5 to 176.4 Another privately run Prison shambles in action. Renfrewshire 154.7 to 162.5 Paisley on the general rise again. Stirling 158.2 to 158.2 North Lanarkshire 147.1 to 148.2 South Lanarkshire 142.9 to 138.8 North Ayrshire 130.6 to 135.8 Glasgow City 131.9 to 130.6 THEN a large GAP Midlothian 91.9 to 103.8 Shocker of a day Inverclyde 96.4 to 100.3 East Renfrewshire 103.6 to 102.6 Western Isles 82.3 to 93.6 South Ayrshire 76.4 to 70.6 First good news story of day Moray 66.8 to 68.9 Dumfries & Galloway 72.6 to 67.8 Argyll & Bute 71.0 to 61.7 Excellent 24 hours City Of Edinburgh 56.2 to 61.2 Disappointing now climbing the charts Perth & Kinross 57.9 to 59.9 East Lothian 58.8 to 59.8 Fife 54.6 to 58.6 Highlands 57.2 to 57.2 East Dunbartonshire 67.2 to 55.2 Brilliant stands out in this part of the country. Angus 50.8 to 47.3 Aberdeenshire 44.0 to 39.0 Dundee City 34.8 to 34.8 Aberdeen City 35.9 to 34.1 Scottish Borders 30.3 to 27.7 Orkney Island 26.9 to 26.9 Shetland Islands 4.4 to 0.0 Edited February 17, 2021 by superbigal 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: For me Labour have potentially come out of this in an even worse light than the Tories. They're not in power in either HR or WM so have no real responsibility for anything and all they ever do is constantly carp and moan with pretty much zero constructive suggestions. It's utterly pathetic. Absolute balloons like Jackie Baillie coming away with all this 2020 hindsight when she knows full well that Labour never said anything about it before the pandemic hit and the SG don't even have the full range of powers to deal properly with a pandemic independently anyway. Don't forget about the roaring binfire their administration has made of handling the pandemic in Wales, with about 17 'this time it's serious!' circuit-breaker lockdowns in the autumn. Starmer's approach has probably been the worst, as all he does now is offer support for whatever the government says, while bleating for tougher measures about any single element of the response, while also demanding to fire weans into classrooms. If Labour withdrew government support then Johnson would be caught between rebels and the opposition and forced to try and do his job properly: instead he's getting a free pass. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 Why is East Dunbartonshire different to West Dunbartonshire? Have you ever left Fife? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 10 minutes ago, Stormzy said: What's the latest on how long the vaccine is meant to be effective for? Last thing I read said 8 months, possibly longer but we don't know yet. I haven't seen any advances on that yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Detournement said: Why is East Dunbartonshire different to West Dunbartonshire? Have you ever left Fife? Perhaps this is an east coast joke, but I don't understand. Are you asking why it isn't just called Dunbartonshire i.e. merged? Or are you asking why one has a large amount of cases and the other doesn't? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 17, 2021 Share Posted February 17, 2021 2 minutes ago, virginton said: Don't forget about the roaring binfire their administration has made of handling the pandemic in Wales, with about 17 'this time it's serious!' circuit-breaker lockdowns in the autumn. Starmer's approach has probably been the worst, as all he does now is offer support for whatever the government says, while bleating for tougher measures about any single element of the response, while also demanding to fire weans into classrooms. If Labour withdrew government support then Johnson would be caught between rebels and the opposition and forced to try and do his job properly: instead he's getting a free pass. Jackie Baillie was shadow health spokesperson in HR for years, I wonder if she can point out one time she brought up or made a suggestion about pandemic readiness in that post. I'd be prepared to bet decent money she said f**k all about it in her entire time in that job. Sarah Boyack put in the standard Labour car crash performance on Debate Night last week. Her only suggestions were just do everything more and do everything better. Then she literally said words to the effect of "It's an opposition's job to hold the government to account. That's what Labour will do after the upcoming May elections". She actually went out of her way to insinuate that that is not what Labour have been doing, are doing, or plan to do up until May. Spoiler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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