Thereisalight.. Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 hour ago, Left Back said: They clearly won't. Can you imagine the scene of Sturgeon announcing at the next review we're going to pursue zero covid. Yes we have vaccines, yes we have treatments but we're putting you into a lockdown that will be worse than last spring and will last for longer than last spring. We'll be shutting the borders and you won't be allowed out for at least another year, or probably longer and this includes travel to other parts of the UK as well until the whole world is vaccinated. Zero covid sailed long ago. It would be political suicide to try and pursue it now. Political suicide anywhere else apart from Scotland. NS knows she has free reign to do absolutely anything she wishes and her party would still win by a landslide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: I really am not, that's your take. Post a few examples of me lauding them ? I'm 100% against zero Covid and eradication which if I'm not mistaken is the policy they would like to pursue. Sorry m8, apparently I've not to actively seek out Leitch and Sridhar material. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) I still find it incredibly unsettling that NS doesn't appear to think that reducing hospitalisations and deaths to pretty much zero through an extensive vaccination programme isn't enough, and would still place a huge focus on cases once we get there. Talk of going back in to lockdown next winter if "cases" go back up is a major red flag IMO. Edited February 18, 2021 by Todd_is_God 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Thereisalight.. said: Political suicide anywhere else apart from Scotland. NS knows she has free reign to do absolutely anything she wishes and her party would still win by a landslide. I wholeheartedly agree she'd have to work very hard not to win the election. I think the above is one of the few things that could stop her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Sorry m8, apparently I've not to actively seek out Leitch and Sridhar material.Fair enough it would have been a long search too so I don't blame you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Distant Doonhamer said: The fact that Leitch is already publicly emphasising the huge downsides of such a strategy isn’t an accident. They are probably already setting up another Citizens Assembly which will report back in July it that unanimously backs managed suppression 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I still find it incredibly unsettling that NS doesn't appear to think that reducing hospitalisations and deaths to pretty much zero through an extensive vaccination programme isn't enough, and would still place a huge focus on cases once we get there. Talk of going back in to lockdown next winter if "cases" go back up is a major red flag IMO.The big nursey woman today used the "new post Covid normal " line again today. To me that's telling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Talk of going back in to lockdown next winter if "cases" go back up is a major red flag IMO. As I said yesterday they are already drip feeding the idea of a third lockdown. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 8 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 11 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Mate, I've read the whole thread lol. You don't need to be in favour of their every policy to defend them to the hilt. As proven by your need to tell folk to stop abusing them and ignore them instead - even when you can't defend the point they're making you try and divert the abuse they are due. I really am not, that's your take. Post a few examples of me lauding them ? I'm 100% against zero Covid and eradication which if I'm not mistaken is the policy they would like to pursue. Leitch won't say one way or another he just comes on says it's possible but would be problematic and goes away again. He's not making decisions so I have no idea why the news outlets keep having him on his "contribution" to debate should be given by the health correspondent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: I still find it incredibly unsettling that NS doesn't appear to think that reducing hospitalisations and deaths to pretty much zero through an extensive vaccination programme isn't enough, and would still place a huge focus on cases once we get there. Talk of going back in to lockdown next winter if "cases" go back up is a major red flag IMO. Did she say that today? I caught a little bit of it today which seemed unusually upbeat (by her standards). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, Steven W said: Did she say that today? I caught a little bit of it today which seemed unusually upbeat (by her standards). Yes 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 I still find it incredibly unsettling that NS doesn't appear to think that reducing hospitalisations and deaths to pretty much zero through an extensive vaccination programme isn't enough, and would still place a huge focus on cases once we get there.Luckily, they are starting to go the right way too.Today’s figures are almost universally good. I hope this focuses the mind of the SG, esp given the fall in care homes where we can see the impact of vaccination working. I know someone (hopefully facetiously) wondered whether this was due to the “at risk” people having died - care homes are constantly “topped up” with new at risk people. The drop they are seeing is far higher than in the community, and at younger age groups. Given they were done first, and we are now 3 weeks or so past a big chunk having been done, I’m really hopeful that we will see a massive fall by the end of this month / midway through March. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Absolute wild that it was less than 2 months ago the optimism at New Year of a better year thanks to the vaccines. Since then we’ve had nothing but negativity rammed down our throats “bUt ThE uNdIsCoVeReD vArIaNtS”. Why is nobody asking what the point of vaccines are for if it isn’t for our route out of this fairly quickly (as in when the elderly/vulnerable have had their 2 doses) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Thereisalight.. said: Absolute wild that it was less than 2 months ago the optimism at New Year of a better year thanks to the vaccines. Since then we’ve had nothing but negativity rammed down our throats “bUt ThE uNdIsCoVeReD vArIaNtS”. Why is nobody asking what the point of vaccines are for if it isn’t for our route out of this fairly quickly (as in when the elderly/vulnerable have had their 2 doses) Our press are useless and driving into the heart of issues and are much happier dancing round the outside with things like "JEAN 74 HASNT HAD HER VACCINE!!!!!!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: Luckily, they are starting to go the right way too. Today’s figures are almost universally good. I hope this focuses the mind of the SG, esp given the fall in care homes where we can see the impact of vaccination working. I know someone (hopefully facetiously) wondered whether this was due to the “at risk” people having died - care homes are constantly “topped up” with new at risk people. The drop they are seeing is far higher than in the community, and at younger age groups. Given they were done first, and we are now 3 weeks or so past a big chunk having been done, I’m really hopeful that we will see a massive fall by the end of this month / midway through March. They are. But my concern was about next winter. The message is essentially that, even with the almost complete absence of hospitalisations and deaths, an increase in cases next winter would result in another lockdown. I don't see how they can think that is either sensible or acceptable. What would such draconian measures in that scenario achieve? Edited February 18, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 The press and media, at least at national level, are enjoying this - easy stories and headlines for them without having to even try. The journalists working for said publications are free to swan around as they so wish as well. No interest at all in challenging government statements about undiscovered variants. They hear that and that's the front four pages filled. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: Luckily, they are starting to go the right way too. Today’s figures are almost universally good. I hope this focuses the mind of the SG, esp given the fall in care homes where we can see the impact of vaccination working. I know someone (hopefully facetiously) wondered whether this was due to the “at risk” people having died - care homes are constantly “topped up” with new at risk people. The drop they are seeing is far higher than in the community, and at younger age groups. Given they were done first, and we are now 3 weeks or so past a big chunk having been done, I’m really hopeful that we will see a massive fall by the end of this month / midway through March. Like him, I'd assume that they haven't been topped up to precovid levels, who on earth would put their elderly relatives in a care home at the moment if they didn't have houses and baubles to leave. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Saying on the news that infections are highest in primary age children and young adults according to the latest REACT survey. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scosha Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 There is zero chance of a lockdown without furlough. It's sad to admit but I hope the UK Govt quite rightly tell NS to do one if she asks for furlough to return next winter. If hospitals aren't under pressure, deaths are minimal, there's no need for another lockdown as it will obviously show the vaccine works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted February 18, 2021 Share Posted February 18, 2021 Just now, ayrmad said: Like him, I'd assume that they haven't been topped up to precovid levels, who on earth would put their elderly relatives in a care home at the moment if they didn't have houses and baubles to leave. People who couldn't cope or whose relatives need round the clock specialist care 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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