Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Hedgecutter]

1 hour ago, TheScarf said:

Some of us have obviously never seen The Thick of It.

I now have the image of Terri going mental at Glenn Cullen because he suggested that she should be ahead of him in the vaccination queue because "well, how do I put this... you're fond of a pie or two"

[TheScarf]

2 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said:

I now have the image of Terri going mental at Glenn Cullen because he suggested that she should be ahead of him in the vaccination queue because "well, how do I put this... you're fond of a pie or two"

'For the record, I have done nothing'.

'Yes, that'll be your epitaph, Terri.'

[ayrmad]

28 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

Yer man could be a tad premature here. It's not the 70+ who are reading QAnon or nonsense facebook pages telling them covid is a lie and 5G is controlling their brains. I sincerely hope the same percentage of the rest of the population take up the vaccine but I suspect you'll see a big drop off in the libertarian middle aged men category and those who get their news from anyone with a blue tick on twitter.

If that were the case I'd probably move into the vaccine passport for entry camp. 

[Elixir]

In England, festivals have hope and can plan ahead.

In Scotland..?

[Jan Vojáček]

13 minutes ago, Louis Litt said:

That table's column says 'actual deaths from covid 19'. It's basically stating that anyone with any other health condition on their records didn't actually die from covid.  It's a load of shite. 

To be honest, there's never going to be a way to determine how many people died 'of Covid' and how many people died 'with Covid'. We're all just going to have to accept that it has killed a decent amount of people, and that is tragic.

A family friend's dad went into hospital because his cancer had got a lot worse. He had two to three months left to live, caught Covid in hospital and died quickly. There will be countless other situations exactly like that. It robbed him of a few months, but then again you could say that his cancer was so advanced then he might not have lived for an additional two months anyway.

Would he have died of Covid if he didn't have cancer? Probably not. Did Covid kill him or did cancer kill him? I guess they both did. Should that go down as a Covid death? We can argue about that until the end of time/restrictions. But nobody will ever all agree.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

In England, festivals have hope and can plan ahead.
In Scotland..?

Nope over fear?

[Louis Litt]

3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

I didn't write the headings, but it's absolutely clear that they refer to underlying conditions yes/no.

I really don't understand what you are so annoyed about.

The headings are misleading and worded in a way to substantially lower the number of cases which are 'actual deaths from covid'. It's inaccurate.

I don't think you're gonna acknowledge that though so all the best. 

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4 minutes ago, Elixir said:

In England, festivals have hope and can plan ahead.

In Scotland..?

A plan based on hope is not a sound way to run your business. 

Also some of the events in that news report are in May the large scale events going ahead in England are at the end of August. The companies running Reading and Leeds probably will have far greater demand and far bigger financial backers if they need to run at a reduced capacity, I suspect the Highland games don't have this also cancelling and event scheduled to take place in September in February when clarity will be provided in Mid March seems a bit daft.

[Michael W]

I suspect the organisers of Reading and Leeds are desperate for the money rather than anything else... 

[Sherrif John Bunnell]

It sounds like these two made the most of their hotel quarantine.

[yoda]

3 hours ago, Marshmallo said:

If the Levels allow travel between council areas which have different restrictions, you definitely will see people going from council to council this time to take advantage of lower restrictions elsewhere.

People were doing this last time. It might have been less obvious in the central belt but it was quite blatant in Inverness.

You'd go out for a pint and be surrounded by Glasgowshire accents - "Aye we've just come up for a couple of weeks - decent rates at the AirBnBs here! Nice to get away from Glasgow and enjoy a few evenings out"

Lots of tourists came up from England too. 

[WhiteRoseKillie]

2 hours ago, Burnieman said:

I guess they will have a health condition that puts them into the 1-9 groups.  There are under 50's getting done on the Lothians but they are in the vulnerable groups (which has a very wide ranging definition).

It's got a very specific definition - quite a few contributory issues which have to be taken into account, but vulnerable is vulnerable.

[David W]

No surprise, but the JCVI are recommending age-based vaccination for the next phase. 40-49, 30-39 and 18 -29.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

1 hour ago, Jacksgranda said:

This f****** thread.

And then you get posts like this. 

Yep, it's good to see real good news rather than anecdotal shite from all ends of the argument. I'm chuffed to fúck that my sister (who spent most of last year isolated in the Beatson) is improving massively after having two jags, and we're already making tentative plans for when the WRK clan are allowed back into Scotland to have a massive family gathering, as this bollox has given us all a painful reminder that, by the time you get round to visiting other members of the family, they might not be around anymore.

I know it seems to the younger posters on here as if some of us were born in black and white, but as time passes, it gets more precious. Appreciate your folks while you still can. (not that I have to tell you that, JG)

[Todd_is_God]

3 hours ago, Louis Litt said:

The headings are misleading and worded in a way to substantially lower the number of cases which are 'actual deaths from covid'. It's inaccurate.

I don't think you're gonna acknowledge that though so all the best. 

No, they are labelled as such to make the point the OP wanted to make (which was that Covid isn't really a thing).

However the data is quite clearly the number of people who died after catching covid who did, and did not, have a pre-existing condition.

The ratio of tho who died despite having no pre-existing health conditions is in line with the figures published by NHS England, so there is no reason to assume they are inaccurate.

Anyone who has paid any attention to the vaccine performance data, knows what is included in JCVI Groups 1-9, looks at the data below, and still disagrees that vaccinating groups 1-9 will prevent a massive percentage of deaths in future is at it IMO.

Edited February 26, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[WhiteRoseKillie]

1 hour ago, Elric said:

Blue envelopes have arrived for wife and I - a big cloud suddenly lifted at that time and there is now an air of more optimism.  Strange how little it takes.

Wait till you walk out after having the first jag - birthday caird pish, maybe, but the sun seems brighter, the air smells sweeter..

It really doesn't take a lot to lift the spirits, and it feels like we're seeing a brighter light at the end of a shorter tunnel. Optimism maybe misplaced or set to be dashed by negative news, but damn, it feels good for now - and that'll do me.

[Left Back]

6 minutes ago, David W said:

No surprise, but the JCVI are recommending age-based vaccination for the next phase. 40-49, 30-39 and 18 -29.

Seems sensible.  Anything that slows down getting jags in arms should be avoided and prioritising certain occupations would likely do that for very little to no real health benefit if 99% of the most vulnerable have already been prioritised.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

31 minutes ago, Elixir said:

In England, festivals have hope and can plan ahead.

In Scotland..?

Oh, aye, Leeds/Reading going ahead. Or at least having all that lovely ticket money resting in their account until they make a real decision. I've got about four hundred pounds worth of tickets  that have been either rescheduled (twice in some cases - Hiya King King!) or just sitting there with no communication as to when the gig will take place (Yes, Thorogood, I'm looking at you!).

The problem is that most of the gigs I've got tickets for are sold out - sold out to Pre-Covid levels, that is. Are we to believe that we will be allowed into small theatres in the same numbers as before? Not just seating, you're looking at some seriously narrow corridors and cramped bar facilities in some of these venues.

Another issue, with specific reference to George Thorogood and Elton John - these guys might well peg it before we're allowed back to live venues! I'm still boiling at missing Tom Petty at Hyde Park in 2017 because we needed new flooring.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

40-49s next up.

[Jacksgranda]

16 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

Yep, it's good to see real good news rather than anecdotal shite from all ends of the argument. I'm chuffed to fúck that my sister (who spent most of last year isolated in the Beatson) is improving massively after having two jags, and we're already making tentative plans for when the WRK clan are allowed back into Scotland to have a massive family gathering, as this bollox has given us all a painful reminder that, by the time you get round to visiting other members of the family, they might not be around anymore.

I know it seems to the younger posters on here as if some of us were born in black and white, but as time passes, it gets more precious. Appreciate your folks while you still can. (not that I have to tell you that, JG)

Aye, my parents and all my aunts and uncles (as well as 3 of my cousins) are dead, but my outlaws and stepchildren and nieces and nephews and grandchildren (and great grandchild) are still living and when we're all jagged there will be some visiting and meals out and a baptism will have to be organised, too.

I can still vividly recall attending the funeral of a young girl killed in a farming accident. When I got home from that I gave the wee ones in our house a big hug. You never know the day or the hour.