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[Steven W]

Has Sridhar deleted 'that' tweet? Can't see it now, but did see it half an hour ago.

[Marshmallo]

1 minute ago, Steven W said:

Has Sridhar deleted 'that' tweet? Can't see it now, but did see it half an hour ago.

Still there for me.

You've had a few?

[Lyle Lanley]

7 minutes ago, Steven W said:

Has Sridhar deleted 'that' tweet? Can't see it now, but did see it half an hour ago.

Still there mate.

[Steven W]

5 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

Still there for me.

You've had a few?

Aye

[ICTChris]

I just read that the study Sridhar used has 42 participants.

[super_carson]

1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

Sridhar said that the AZ vaccine isn’t effective against the South African variant, but she was quoting a single study that showed lack of protection against mild to moderate illness. No-one in the study became seriously ill and it wasn’t Carried out on the dosing schedule used in the vaccine rollout. It’s not a worthless study but it’s not something to make sweeping statements about vaccine effectiveness over.

For Sridhar to make a claim that this shows the vaccine doesn’t work against the South African variant is deeply irresponsible, given her official position and her media profile.
 

The biggest criticism I have is the risk it poses to the vaccine rollout and it plays into the hands of the anti-vax brigade. For an advisor to the Scottish government, that's a massive, massive mistake. To then double down on it and play the victim when she was called out, respectfully, by another who was far more qualified to discuss the data from that survey was pretty poor.

Of course we don't know how much NS actually listens to her, but surely after this there will need to be some distancing from her.

Edited March 26, 2021 by super_carson

[Marshmallo]

 

[Left Back]

2 hours ago, s_dog said:

France claims UK will struggle to source second Covid jabs

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/mar/26/france-uk-struggle-source-second-covid-jabs-eu-blackmail?

I haven't paid too much attention to the UK v EU vaccination squabbles, and while the UK Gov have continually said they are confident about having enough supplies, what happens if we don't? It was always the case we'd rely more on the Oxford/AZ vaccine as the roll-out progresses, but are we really at the stage where the EU are going to block supplies to the UK and lead to a potential problem with people getting their second jag?  

The EU don’t hold all the cards.  They need material from us to manufacture Pfizer.  I’d hope we’d have been pointing that out diplomatically for the last few days.

If they decide to go full hardball I’d happily f**k them over for their Pfizer production.

[Elixir]

44 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

Last year this thread was very pro-china on terms of how they handled things, and you don't get more authoritarian than that.

The tide has turned though, and folk on here seem to have moved into full blown libertarian mode.

I can only remember the media and reaction here being one of shock at what was happening in Wuhan, particularly your sanctimonious rags like The Guardian - about how it was an affront to human rights and democracy.

Now of course, these same rags are all for these very same measures as the sanctimony stakes have moved from human rights and democracy to making sure it looks like you care about death and illness prevention more than anyone or anything else.

4 minutes ago, ICTChris said:

I just read that the study Sridhar used has 42 participants.

Was it also in people with HIV?

[Todd_is_God]

Devi Sridhar having a heads gone is a delicious development.

[Distant Doonhamer]

1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said:

Devi Sridhar having a heads gone is a delicious development.

Totally this.  Head is absolutely gone.  I survived a blocking a few months back for asking her if her account had been hacked when she posted something that seemed reasonable. Suspect it would be an instant blocking now.

[Michael W]

1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

Sridhar said that the AZ vaccine isn’t effective against the South African variant, but she was quoting a single study that showed lack of protection against mild to moderate illness. No-one in the study became seriously ill and it wasn’t Carried out on the dosing schedule used in the vaccine rollout. It’s not a worthless study but it’s not something to make sweeping statements about vaccine effectiveness over.

For Sridhar to make a claim that this shows the vaccine doesn’t work against the South African variant is deeply irresponsible, given her official position and her media profile.

It's worse than that - she has made a false statement. Why she has done this is known only by Devi herself, but seems to me that she has done this to back up the case for her longstanding bemoaning of travel. 

The effects of this are worse: what message are people going to hear, here? "the AZ vaccine doesn't work". That's what they'll hear and her remarks will encourage the anti-vaxxers. 

She needs to he shown the door for this, both for her below par professional conduct and also because of the message she's sent with it. She is "only an advisor" after all, and they're about as disposable as you can get in politics. 

 

[eez-eh]

There’s still people who’ll lap it up though - thousands of likes and retweets on that tweet.

Incredibly dangerous for someone in her position to be coming out with shite like that.

[Thereisalight..]

A random question, but whats the latest numbers allowed at a wedding? 

[Distant Doonhamer]

Just now, Thereisalight.. said:

A random question, but whats the latest numbers allowed at a wedding? 

One. 

Devi says any more is too risky.

Edited March 26, 2021 by Distant Doonhamer

[ayrmad]

1 hour ago, Elixir said:

I can only remember the media and reaction here being one of shock at what was happening in Wuhan, particularly your sanctimonious rags like The Guardian - about how it was an affront to human rights and democracy.

Now of course, these same rags are all for these very same measures as the sanctimony stakes have moved from human rights and democracy to making sure it looks like you care about death and illness prevention more than anyone or anything else.

Was it also in people with HIV?

Our measures aren't remotely similar to Wuhans. 

[Thereisalight..]

1 hour ago, super_carson said:

The biggest criticism I have is the risk it poses to the vaccine rollout and it plays into the hands of the anti-vax brigade. For an advisor to the Scottish government, that's a massive, massive mistake. To then double down on it and play the victim when she was called out, respectfully, by another who was far more qualified to discuss the data from that survey was pretty poor.

Of course we don't know how much NS actually listens to her, but surely after this there will need to be some distancing from her.

She should have distanced from her about 10 months ago

[Distant Doonhamer]

2 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said:

She should have distanced from her about 10 months ago

Agreed. She absolutely should do so now.

It may of course that she already disregards the advice given. 

[Left Back]

Watching BBC Hardtalk from the other night .  Jean-Claude Juncker is being interviewed.

Saying the EU Commission failure to procure vaccines is because they are so budget conscious and the rollout failure is nothing to do with the Commission and entirely down to member states own failings.

Proper lunatic stuff.

[anotherchance]

48 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Devi Sridhar having a heads gone is a delicious development.

It's beautiful, the passive aggressive follow up tweet claiming she was being destroyed was glorious.

It'll be brushed under the carpet though - the Spectactor did a piece on her pish and subsequent blocking the vaccine expert, but that'll be scoffed at as "right wing propaganda" on the basis that people who have the cheek to question her aren't talking it seriously and think the whole thing is a hoax, or something.