hk blues Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Just now, Thereisalight.. said: It is racial segregation when reports have shown that those least likely to take the vaccine come from the BAME community. I honestly think you're looking for something that isn't there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 It's a policy which indirectly discriminates against people based on their age and race, and therefore deserves to take pride of place in the nearest bin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I just got a blue letter in for someone who lived in my home prior to me buying it. I imagine there will be a lot of that going on contributing to a lot of missed appointments especially in cities where rentals are a bigger proportion of households. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, craigkillie said: It's a policy which indirectly discriminates against people based on their age and race, and therefore deserves to take pride of place in the nearest bin. Doesn't the global vaccination programme do the same, along with a few other things? You suggesting we bin that too? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 20 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: This new looking down your nose at those unvaccinated needs binned asap I dunno, if someone isn't vaccinated because they think Bill Gates is trying to control them I'm quite happy to continue to look down my nose at them. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 16 minutes ago, craigkillie said: It's a policy which indirectly discriminates against people based on their age and race, and therefore deserves to take pride of place in the nearest bin. Good grief......... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 22 minutes ago, hk blues said: Doesn't the global vaccination programme do the same, along with a few other things? You suggesting we bin that too? No. The global vaccination programme does not restrict people's rights to go about their daily lives. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 34 minutes ago, craigkillie said: It's a policy which indirectly discriminates against people based on their age and race, and therefore deserves to take pride of place in the nearest bin. People actually think this way. Dearie me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 (edited) I'm absolutely confused about the desire to keep vaccinated and unvaccinated people apart tbh. Vaccines protect those who are vaccinated - If the concern is that the vaccines isn't 100% effective (a ridiculous concern in itself), then what is the danger of them being next to someone unvaccinated that doesn't exist if they are next to someone vaccinated? Edited May 6, 2021 by Todd_is_God 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 18 minutes ago, Steven W said: Good grief......... 1 minute ago, Mr Waldo said: People actually think this way. Dearie me. Rather than just posting this sort of meaningless guff, can you please explain which part of my post you disagree with? Which of these facts is it that you have a specific problem with? 1) Younger people are much less likely to have had a vaccine than older people 2) Vaccine uptake is lower for people with a BAME background for a number of historic reasons often rooted in institutional racism. 3) Discriminating against people based on their age and/or race is wrong. 4) A domestic vaccine passport system for sporting events, music events, restaurants, shops or anything else creates a clear two-tier system. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 Apparently you could be vaccinated at the "ball park" and be rewarded with a free ticket but not sure if it was for the jagged or pox end 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I'm absolutely confused about the desire to keep vaccinated and unvaccinated people apart tbh. Vaccines protect those who are vaccinated - If the concern is that the vaccines isn't 100% effective (a ridiculous concern in itself), then what is the danger of them being next to someone unvaccinated that doesn't exist if they are next to someone vaccinated? I don't think that's the intention. The intention is to enable social distancing for the unvaccinated. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 4 minutes ago, oaksoft said: It's the fact that you are equating all of this with "discrimination" which is earning you some red dots. You've made this worse by saying it to back up a poster who claimed it was racial segregation. Intellectually, that is a completely ridiculous take. Not a single person is disagreeing with point 3. I'm not even sure anyone is disagreeing with point 4 either. I didn't say it to back up anyone, I gave my opinon on the topic as I have done already previously. It literally is discrimination, you are denying people from one group the rights which you are providing to people in another group. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 3 hours ago, hk blues said: What would you recommend they do as an alternative - no social distancing? No spectators? Only vaccinated be allowed in? Only unvaccinated be allowed in? Or maybe you believe social distancing shouldn't exist at all? Err... I would recommend we return to meaningful normal life as the vaccination program will and is completely changing the balance of risk and removing the need for such measures. The virus is going to be de-fanged and join many others we tolerate and which won't lead to healthcare services being 'overwhelmed'. Or... we could choose constant reminders of this period and not move past it. 30 minutes ago, hk blues said: Doesn't the global vaccination programme do the same, along with a few other things? You suggesting we bin that too? So we've gone from trying to score quick points to suggesting we bin the vaccines because it has been pointed out that measures like segregation, i.e. vaccine passports, are a terrible idea. Fantastic stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I thought these places had 'eliminated' the virus? Seems it's still popping up all the time leading to totally unsustainable policies. Another win for #ZeroCovid! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 I'm absolutely confused about the desire to keep vaccinated and unvaccinated people apart tbh. Vaccines protect those who are vaccinated - If the concern is that the vaccines isn't 100% effective (a ridiculous concern in itself), then what is the danger of them being next to someone unvaccinated that doesn't exist if they are next to someone vaccinated?Precisely where the vaccine passport falls down as I have asked before....If the vaccine doesnt stop transmission, then it doesnt really matter about mixing vaccinated and unvaccinated people. If the vaccine does stop transmission, then it doesnt really matter about mixing vaccinated and unvaccinated people. Folk need to take their nose out of other peoples indivudual medical history and focus on whether the vaccinations distributed provide enough roadblocks to the virus so as to prevent problems for the health service, and also to get the vaccine if they consider it inportant for them, or to help provide said roadblocks. The rights of rhe individual, vaxxed or not, really shouldnt be coming into this whatsoever 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 45 minutes ago, craigkillie said: Rather than just posting this sort of meaningless guff, can you please explain which part of my post you disagree with? Which of these facts is it that you have a specific problem with? 1) Younger people are much less likely to have had a vaccine than older people 2) Vaccine uptake is lower for people with a BAME background for a number of historic reasons often rooted in institutional racism. 3) Discriminating against people based on their age and/or race is wrong. 4) A domestic vaccine passport system for sporting events, music events, restaurants, shops or anything else creates a clear two-tier system. You're one step away from saying the virus itself is ageist and racist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 It's incredible how it's always the same idiots who are triggered by any mention of something being racist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 This article published from the BBC only today: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56813982 Quote Barely a month into England's coronavirus vaccine programme, a stark inequality began to reveal itself. Black people were less likely than any other group, and half as likely as white people, to have had the jab. By April, 64% of black over-50s had been vaccinated compared with 93% of white people of the same age. The reasons for this are complex. Unethical medical treatment in the past, ongoing discrimination and personal experiences of insensitive treatment by the NHS are all believed to play a part. But doctors, researchers and campaigners who spoke to the BBC said they feared black communities were being blamed. What an absolute minter for the whoppers thinking there's nothing wrong with it, but hey, it's easy to try and score a few quick points over previous segregation comparisons. You know who you are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted May 6, 2021 Share Posted May 6, 2021 35 minutes ago, Steven W said: You're one step away from saying the virus itself is ageist and racist I'll take this vacuous and completely illogical response as a "no, I can't tell you which specific part of your post I disagree with". 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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