Todd_is_God Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Just now, Elixir said: What are the tangible differences between 'level two' and 'level one'? For example, what will it mean for the hospitality industry, etc. Similarly, what real difference is there between 'level one' and 'level zero'? The idea that closing at 11pm is more dangerous than 10.30pm, or 8pm, needs launched in the sea. Utterly pointless pish. Curfews were binned in England because they demonstrated no benefit. Of course the SG kept them uphere because they care so much more. Should only be two levels - open or closed. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 The idea that closing at 11pm is more dangerous than 10.30pm, or 8pm, needs launched in the sea. Utterly pointless pish. Curfews were binned in England because they demonstrated no benefit. Of course the SG kept them uphere because they care so much more. Should only be two levels - open or closed.Werent they binned after a legal challenge? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: 10 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: The idea that closing at 11pm is more dangerous than 10.30pm, or 8pm, needs launched in the sea. Utterly pointless pish. Curfews were binned in England because they demonstrated no benefit. Of course the SG kept them uphere because they care so much more. Should only be two levels - open or closed. Werent they binned after a legal challenge? Yeah. IIRC the government lost the challenge because they couldn't provide any evidence that they had any impact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 You're missing a very important point though. The majority of the voting public support further restrictions. We may be noisy in here but sadly we're all in the minority.As far as i know none of my mates, family or co workers post on here but I don’t know many who are still wanting more restrictions or who are still scared of getting the virus There are though, some people who were dissatisfied with life as we knew it pre pandemic and are not in any hurry to return, and this gives them the perfect excuse to keep it up. Normality is coming tho, even if it is delayed significantly it will be no later than next spring even in the most extreme circumstances, because there is just no way that governments can keep burning money whilst enforcing mandatory closure of the economy 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Im honestly not convinced more poeple support restrictions than oppose them. It only seems to be in yougov type surveys you see this. Social media seems to be full of folk saying get shit opened up. But more importantly, I can think of a more obvious case for a "silent majority" type scenario when any dissent against restrictions seems to see one painted as a covid denier. A vote on this would see restrictions fully binned IMO. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: Normality is coming tho, even if it is delayed significantly it will be no later than next spring even in the most extreme circumstances, because there is just no way that governments can keep burning money whilst enforcing mandatory closure of the economy They can though. A large proportion of the economy doesn't actually create any economic value so there is no difference between someone being paid to work their non productive job and being paid to sit in the house. There is actually a positive impact as the resources which are burned through to run a pub, nail bar or tanning studio aren't used up. Given the planet can't actually sustain the level of economic activity we have at present it's likely that governments in future are going to use universal basic income as a kind of permanent furlough scheme. Edited May 30, 2021 by Detournement -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasy23 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 A long thread which confirms that vaccines actually work, and explains that the majority of the handful of vaccinated patients who are in hospital suffer from prexisting pronounced co-morbities. In other news, forgive me P&B for I have sinned. Last night my wife and I travelled outwith Glasgow to go for a meal with friends. And it was fucking great. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H Wragg Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 A long thread which confirms that vaccines actually work, and explains that the majority of the handful of vaccinated patients who are in hospital suffer from prexisting pronounced co-morbities. In other news, forgive me P&B for I have sinned. Last night my wife and I travelled outwith Glasgow to go for a meal with friends. And it was fucking great.^^^Sub human scum IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jacksgranda Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 hour ago, peasy23 said: In other news, forgive me P&B for I have sinned. Last night my wife and I travelled outwith Glasgow to go for a meal with friends. And it was fucking great. HEARTLESS, SELFISH GRANNY KILLER! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Bairnardo said: Im honestly not convinced more poeple support restrictions than oppose them. It only seems to be in yougov type surveys you see this. Social media seems to be full of folk saying get shit opened up. But more importantly, I can think of a more obvious case for a "silent majority" type scenario when any dissent against restrictions seems to see one painted as a covid denier. A vote on this would see restrictions fully binned IMO. A billion pound company whose business is assessing what people think v your FB feed and you are going with the latter? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: A billion pound company whose business is assessing what people think v your FB feed and you are going with the latter? Is their business assessing what people think or influencing what people think. Yougov did the dodgy 50/50 poll in 2014, the 33/33 poll in 2015 GE and had Corbyn down at ridiculously low levels prior to the 2017 GE. They undoubtedly have a history of producing polls which suit the Tory agenda. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 On 28/05/2021 at 21:54, Elixir said: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57224635 Remember, everything in Australia is fucking amazing, guys! Devi and the other psychopaths said so! rate they are going be 2023 before they are back to borders open like before 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Bairnardo said: Im honestly not convinced more poeple support restrictions than oppose them. It only seems to be in yougov type surveys you see this. Social media seems to be full of folk saying get shit opened up. But more importantly, I can think of a more obvious case for a "silent majority" type scenario when any dissent against restrictions seems to see one painted as a covid denier. A vote on this would see restrictions fully binned IMO. It's not scientific, but if you look on twitter, you'll find that a lot of English people are anti-restrictions loosening. I think that's down to dislike of the tories and their self-serving performance throughout, rather than actually considering the implications. Dunno if there's been Scotland only polls? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 A billion pound company whose business is assessing what people think v your FB feed and you are going with the latter? Tbf, I bet I dont know a single person that does yougov surveys and I bet most folk would say the same. I dint know who these people are, and I dont have facebook either. I just havent met a single person that still believes in these measures. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 1 minute ago, madwullie said: It's not scientific, but if you look on twitter, you'll find that a lot of English people are anti-restrictions loosening. I think that's down to dislike of the tories and their self-serving performance throughout, rather than actually considering the implications. Dunno if there's been Scotland only polls? A lot of it is certainly from the #FBPE crowd, who are now nearing year 5 of their ongoing head's gone. But to be fair if we accept opinion polls as valid, it isn't just them. It is depressing as f**k to see the level of support for ongoing restrictions amongst the double vaccinated cohorts. They are generally speaking the people that the restrictions affect the least so it's not surprising to see self-interest in there, but they've been given an effective vaccine and are protected. I really don't know what you do about that to be quite honest. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Michael W said: A lot of it is certainly from the #FBPE crowd, who are now nearing year 5 of their ongoing head's gone. But to be fair if we accept opinion polls as valid, it isn't just them. It is depressing as f**k to see the level of support for ongoing restrictions amongst the double vaccinated cohorts. They are generally speaking the people that the restrictions affect the least so it's not surprising to see self-interest in there, but they've been given an effective vaccine and are protected. I really don't know what you do about that to be quite honest. I had to finish that last post in a hurry. Also meant to add that there genuine anger down south regarding how late the second lockdown was and the culpability of WM for the tens of thousands of deaths that resulted from the delay. Rightly of wrongly, that anger doesn't seem to exist as strongly up here. I think that colours English perceptions of restrictions and whether they should remain in place, given the tories are moving to lift them and people think they've fucked up previously - it probably doesn't help that cases are rising while they are still saying they'll open up. It doesn't seem to be quite as fringe a view up here as it seems down south that vaccines break that link and it is much safer to open up now. Of course that's just what I see on twitter and could easily be influenced by who and what I follow, but the views on this thread are certainly not echoed to any great extent on the English twitter regions I access compared to the Scottish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EH75 Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 Prior to the 2014 referendum, I hardly knew anyone who admitted to being pro union. But we all know what happened there. Just because you don't encounter many pro restriction people doesn't mean they aren't out there. I frequent another forum which is dominated by posters from England. Their covid thread has a significantly different tone to this one with the vast majority very uneasy at the prospect of restrictions being lifted. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 The most patronising man in the business is at it again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pub car king Posted May 30, 2021 Share Posted May 30, 2021 That's me double jagged now, just waiting on the hangover tomorrow. Then I'll be fucking invincible so get these restrictions to f**k. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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