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1 minute ago, Rugster said:

I really, really don’t get this stance. No one is forcing you to read the thread, if you think so little of it just don’t read it. 

I usually don't but when I do it beggars belief just how seriously some people take themselves to be. I am stirring it today but some of the main players really think they are important because some others agree with them on a football website & their reactions to any other points of view are equal parts disturbing and hilarious.

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Yes, but that's an irony that's thoroughly lost on many posters.
The same people calling for dissent to be displayed in Holyrood, often display absolutely no tolerance for any of it on here.
You're comparing a select few posters on a football forum to a large proportion of SNP supporters its hardly a comparison.

For avoidance of doubt I've voted SNP in every election since I was old enough to vote.
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8 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

If you ever read other posters' contributions rather than seeing them as troublesome punctuation between your pearls of wisdom, you'd know that Moomintroll has openly discussed his struggles with MH. Referring to him/her as a tragic loser isn't really going to help that, is it now?
Is honestly not that difficult to stop being a cűnt occasionally. Most posters (even those I disagree vehemently with) seem to manage it. Why don't you give it a go?

Sit down and shut up, you condescending bore. 

The fact that a poster runs around a football forum looking for threads to complain about and clocking up the number of red circles they receive is not mitigated by 'struggles with mental health'. In fact, it is likely insulting for others with mental health struggles to be conflated with the behaviour of a professional victim. 

The solution to any such struggles is perfectly straightforward and involves the 'sign out' button at the top of the screen. Although I believe that a politely written request to delete an account and IP ban has been accepted in the past as well. 

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9 minutes ago, virginton said:

You seem to have badly confused a football forum with a representative legislature, in your utter desperation to complain about the tone

Well no.  I've not confused anything.  Things needn't actually be identical in order to be compared. 

The way dissent on here is generally reacted to, is bizarre in a setting where dissent is apparently valued.

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2 hours ago, Dawson Park Boy said:

In principle, I agree with what you are saying but, in practice at Holyrood, there is never any dissentient voices to be heard within the SNP.

They all just vote dependent on what NS says.

In WM it’s totally different where you constantly hear MP’s of independent opinions and not just towing the party line.

However, you do make a decent point.

there is a significant contributing factor for that happening more and more that you appear to have glossed over

 

 

 

 

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

The saintly exterior is being replaced by the political operator she has always been.

Nicola Sturgeon is, and always has been, fantastic at telling people what the Toarrrries get wrong, the impact it is having on Scotland, and what she'd do to fix it if only she had the power to do so, safe in the knowledge that, as she doesn't, there is no pressure to deliver.

The problem the Tsunsmi Mammy has now is she has created the persona of being someone who wants to "keep people safe" and overpromised on the impact her "care more" approach will have on Covid so often that she can't be seen to back down without completely destroying her credibility.

Its not even the case that BJ has played her (He was, still is, and always will be a bit of a bumbling idiot) - she's created this situation all by herself.

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I always remember the outrage during the first lockdown during the summer of people going out to sit in public parks 

That outrage usually came from people who had the luxury of living in a home with a big and front garden

Absolutely no fucks or consideration given to the people who lived in a tenement or a high rise flat 

Must have been torture for them

It definitely did come across as middle class outrage at the time

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I always remember the outrage during the first lockdown during the summer of people going out to sit in public parks 
That outrage usually came from people who had the luxury of living in a home with a big and front garden
Absolutely no fucks or consideration given to the people who lived in a tenement or a high rise flat 
Must have been torture for them
It definitely did come across as middle class outrage at the time


I remember one photo of groups of folk spread out across Pollok Park (I think) and the outrage was extraordinary.
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13 hours ago, AMMjag said:

I can't help but think back to ~2018, where the UK Government frontbench were stuck at the bottom of their Brexit barrel, free to be shot at to the SNP's content until they tore themselves apart.

Having embarked on her cretinous middle-class love bombing exercise ever since, the FM is now reduced to spending her Saturday nights turning in full-on Gincardine performances on Twitter.

Your posting standards are abysmally low but this is a bit of a  gem.  Have a greenie.

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50 minutes ago, Moomintroll said:

You really do take this place far too seriously.

Really?…

1 hour ago, Moomintroll said:

I don't, I bother them so much that when I raise my head intermittently in their pet threads they immediately dot me. I truly don't care but I find it funny how much it winds you all up.

 

2 hours ago, Moomintroll said:

It is a shocking thread where any deviation from the groupthink is met with outright hostility and insults, this post will get at least 6 reddies and I could confidently predict where 5 of them will come from. We are in a world where TiG is consistently the most greenied poster weekly for no other reason than the echo chamber which is this thread. 

C’mon now.

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38 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Covid has absolutely broken Sturgeon. I dont know if its the guilt over her initial handling of the pandemic with the thousands of nursing home and elderly deaths her decisions caused or some other reason that has resulted in this outburst. 


I find this a fairly disingenuous take on things. People, particularly elderly people, were going to die of covid regardless of what interventions were taken, and in most cases politicians were choosing between two or more options where every single one of those options was going to lead to some risk of deaths somewhere. It's a bit like the "trolley dilemma" where you're asked whether you'd pull a lever to direct a train towards a person on the tracks in order to save the lives of five on board. Difficult decisions were needed, and I think it's unhelpful to blame politicians anywhere in the world for sometimes making the wrong ones. Obviously there should be an enquiry, but it has to take into account the potential risks associated with other decisions too.

Aside from that, there have been under 10,000 deaths in Scotland across the entire pandemic, of which somewhere in the region of 2800 occurred in care homes. I therefore think it is wildly inaccurate to suggest that any decision made on returning patients to care homes at the start of that was responsible for "thousands" of them.

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51 minutes ago, Rugster said:

I really, really don’t get this stance. No one is forcing you to read the thread, if you think so little of it just don’t read it. 

That's not really much of an argument.

If people don't like the direction of something on here, especially regarding a topic that concerns us all, why on Earth shouldn't they say so? The thread doesn't and shouldn't only belong to the Main Players.  

Telling people to either go along with it, or not come near it, is not sensible or mature.

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28 minutes ago, KingRocketman II said:

there is a significant contributing factor for that happening more and more that you appear to have glossed over

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yes, Boris’s personality and traits is a big turn off but, at the moment, the big thing is policy differences.

A large minority of the party don’t want green taxes, disagree with the NI increases, disagree with the nannyish Covid policy and want a harder line on the NI protocol.

These are clear matters of policy difference and not just down to Boris.

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1 minute ago, Lyle Lanley said:

 

Once again been pushed into praying for the Tories to go through with something and force the hand of the SG. They’ll obviously be able to enjoy using it as political capital as they’ve already started from the moment the story was leaked last night, but as long as they are forced into going along with it I’ll take it.

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I remember one photo of groups of folk spread out across Pollok Park (I think) and the outrage was extraordinary.
My biggest moan at the time wasn't that people were going to parks, beaches and beauty spots but that they were leaving an utter mess behind them.

That's a general moan even without Covid.
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