Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[ICTChris]

Glasgow has highest prevalence of Covid in the U.K.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18751720.coronavirus-glasgow-highest-covid-rate-uk---amid-reports-students-fleeing-campuses/?ref=twtrec

[Granny Danger]

2 hours ago, Aladdin said:

The university situation is baffling. Surely everyone knew that the majority of teaching, if not all of it, would be online this year.

Is it just a case of universities trying to get more money in the form of rental for halls or what? Cant believe they weren't told to keep students away until at least after Xmas.

Governments throughout the U.K. were in a Catch 22 on this.  Damned if they let students back, damned if they didn’t.

 

[Jacksgranda]

18 hours ago, Chairman Mao said:

I note that the guy in charge of the police operation today said this:

"By flagrantly gathering in large numbers and ignoring social distancing, you are putting your health and the health of your loved ones at risk," he said. 
 

What qualifications does this policeman have to make this statement? What right does he have to abuse his position in making such a statement?

The job of the police is to police. They are not qualified to make health statements nor do they have the right to do so.

The people at this demonstration clearly don’t agree with him and indeed, will think the exact opposite.

 

 

3 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

And what health qualifications do they have?

 

11 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

I give in, tell me. 

That's not how it works, you've set yourself up as to who is qualified to give health advice expert.

[Monkey Tennis]

4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Governments throughout the U.K. were in a Catch 22 on this.  Damned if they let students back, damned if they didn’t.

 

There's truth in that.

I'd point the finger much more clearly at the universities here.  For me, the issue isn't so much that they filled their accommodation halls with students.  It's that they did so, while feeling no moral obligation to justify such a course of action by providing some actual, proper classes.  

It beggars belief really that it's quite so shamelessly been set up that way.   Of course it's financially motivated, but it's so brazenly so, that it's shocking.

At Glasgow, they've been shamed into adopting a more caring approach, but even then, I know that the promised wellbeing contact hasn't always happened.

None of this was remotely hard to foresee.  Much of it is unfortunate.  It needn't be quite the mess it is though.

[vikingTON]

Quote

 

Are schools and universities about to become the main sources of contamination of this new epidemic wave of Covid-19? The latest weekly bulletin from the Public Health France (SPF) agency, published Thursday, September 24, may suggest: 32% of the 899 clusters under investigation concern schools and universities (figure stopped on September 21).

With 285 clusters, for the first time, the educational world is ahead of that of the company, which has 195. Next come health establishments (97) and “public or private events: temporary gatherings of people” (77 ), writes SPF. In its previous bulletin, dated September 17, schools and universities counted 160 clusters under investigation (22% of the total), and only 26 as of September 10.

 

Presumably a government that keeps telling everyone who'd listen that we're 'three or four weeks behind France!!!!!111111!!!!' will learn the appropriate lessons and start restricting the obvious infection factory for a change.

[Jacksgranda]

7 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

That is not how what works?

You don’t need to be a health expert to demonstrate against your civil liberties being removed.

The police should not be giving health advice to the public.

Its not that difficult 

It appears to be for you.

[effeffsee_the2nd]

Governments throughout the U.K. were in a Catch 22 on this.  Damned if they let students back, damned if they didn’t.
 

60% of yesterday’s cases were in the under 25,s put them in halls away from their families and let it rip? Could be a stroke of genuine?

Yesterday i saw my neighbour literally booting his teenage soon in the arse down the street ( a lost art if if you ask me ). After he turned up still pished at 8 in the morning from being at his mates all night then returning to the family home where his mother (who works in a care home alao lives)

Such behaviour is unlikely to cause a wider issue in student halls unless someone has underlying health issues in which case they should surely be allowed home

[Granny Danger]

2 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said:

There's truth in that.

I'd point the finger much more clearly at the universities here.  For me, the issue isn't so much that they filled their accommodation halls with students.  It's that they did so, while feeling no moral obligation to justify such a course of action by providing some actual, proper classes.  

It beggars belief really that it's quite so shamelessly been set up that way.   Of course it's financially motivated, but it's so brazenly so, that it's shocking.

At Glasgow, they've been shamed into adopting a more caring approach, but even then, I know that the promised wellbeing contact hasn't always happened.

None of this was remotely hard to foresee.  Much of it is unfortunate.  It needn't be quite the mess it is though.

The key issue was a workable testing/track and trace regime.  Johnson’s biggest failure was not being able to produce one after promising to do so.

As an aside; why has Germany done so much better than the UK?

[Granny Danger]

Just now, effeffsee_the2nd said:

60% of yesterday’s cases were in the under 25,s put them in halls away from their families and let it rip? Could be a stroke of genuine?

Yesterday i saw my neighbour literally booting his teenage soon in the arse down the street ( a lost art if if you ask me ). After he turned up still pished at 8 in the morning from being at his mates all night then returning to the family home where his mother (who works in a care home alao lives)

Such behaviour is unlikely to cause a wider issue in student halls unless someone has underlying health issues in which case they should surely be allowed home

Stroke of genuine?

[D.A.F.C]

Watched an update from John Campbell and he reckoned that back in March cases were ten times the reported value.
Now even though cases are high theyre more in line with real numbers. Certainly not a tenth of actual figures.
Not sure at what point they will need to clamp down further, as seen on this thread earlier pubs closing at ten isnt working. Its actually making things worse.

[Granny Danger]

5 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

Watched an update from John Campbell and he reckoned that back in March cases were ten times the reported value.
Now even though cases are high theyre more in line with real numbers. Certainly not a tenth of actual figures.
Not sure at what point they will need to clamp down further, as seen on this thread earlier pubs closing at ten isnt working. Its actually making things worse.

Surely the solution for Scotland is to kill all the Tories.

[Jacksgranda]

8 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Indeed, I am finding your incoherent replies very difficult 

Yawn

[D.A.F.C]

Surely the solution for Scotland is to kill all the Tories.

I'm sure that would help as well.

[D.A.F.C]

We should be opening up further, not clamping down further. 
 
Every restriction has made things worse 

When we locked down we should have implemented a massive track and trace operation. Could have almost have removed covid as china has done.
They tested an entire city due to one outbreak.
We are hopeless.

[Jacksgranda]

11 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Yes, I’m bored of you as well 

Maybe stop replying, then.

If I get bored of something I ignore it.

[Bairnardo]

Watched an update from John Campbell and he reckoned that back in March cases were ten times the reported value.
Now even though cases are high theyre more in line with real numbers. Certainly not a tenth of actual figures.
Not sure at what point they will need to clamp down further, as seen on this thread earlier pubs closing at ten isnt working. Its actually making things worse.

How are you arriving at that conclusion? Closing pubs at ten seems stupid and pointless tbh, but given they always say a change takes two to three weeks to be seen, what's your basis for this?

[Szamo's_Ammo]

16 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Yes, I’m bored of you as well 

[Jacksgranda]

40 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

Yes, I’m bored of you as well 

 

9 minutes ago, Chairman Mao said:

I can only assume that you’re not bored of me then as you keep replying. 

Not that bored as to stop replying, though.

[Szamo's_Ammo]

1 hour ago, virginton said:

Presumably a government that keeps telling everyone who'd listen that we're 'three or four weeks behind France!!!!!111111!!!!' will learn the appropriate lessons and start restricting the obvious infection factory for a change.

 

Doesn't look like it.

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Mr Leitch said restrictions on households mixing indoors , which were extended across the whole of Scotland on Tuesday, would take a while to have an affect.

"It's two, three weeks before you show any difference," he said.

"And we've now had universities and colleges back and you can see we now have hundreds of cases inside those institutions."

Don't mix with other households indoors but go to school/college/university.

Edited September 27, 2020 by Szamo's_Ammo

[Thistle_do_nicely]

1 minute ago, Snafu said:

A good number of students quitting their Halls of Residence to return home.

Theres are also a good number of students from abroad who attended Glasgow Uni, many have already left.

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18751697.coronavirus-mass-exodus-students-locked-university-accommodation/

Shambles.

yeah, kinda looks like this September intake was probably a bridge too far to get off to a good start to a university education for most.

Sort of wonder how much this could end up costing in tuition fee's across the UK, afaik the additional year is still intact for repeats etc. which new students without any prior study would get anyway but there's also that compelling personal reasons funding you can apply to get if you have to leave your course/suspend for reasons outwith your control if you've already used your additional year.

£9k for new and returning students doing another year of study due to Covid could add up to a pretty eye bleeding sum.

There's different seasonal intakes available for a fair few courses afaik and there are options like distance learning/Open University so hopefully people can still get a quality education through this.