Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Steven W]

6 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said:

They sneaked in nine months today when taking about a vaccine for the first time.

Testing needs ramped up

9 months! That's fucking pitiful. How many people have to die before we throw caution to the wind re vaccines.

Also I don't get why increased testing will make any difference to be honest - but happy to be educated

Edited September 29, 2020 by Steven W

[Donathan]

9 months! That's fucking pitiful. How many people have to die before we throw caution to the wind re vaccines.
Also I don't get why increased testing will make any difference to be honest - but happy to be educated

Increased testing means less cases “going missing” as it is, so more actual carriers can be isolated and thus we can reopen more of society because fewer covid carriers will be roaming the streets. At the extreme end of this, we’d have instant tests that everyone could self-administer every morning before you leave the house.

[Bairnardo]

They sneaked in nine months today when taking about a vaccine for the first time.

Testing needs ramped up

Latest talk I could find on this is "widely available by mid 21". If its approved for use before then, the priority groups will be given it long before 9 months is out. The chat about "widely available" seems to be aimed at giving enough people the vaccine worldwide to acheive a global level of herd immunity ie billions of doses, and tens of millions in the UK.

[vikingTON]

2 minutes ago, Donathan said:

 

 

Increased testing means less cases “going missing” as it is, so more actual carriers can be isolated and thus we can reopen more of society because fewer covid carriers will be roaming the streets. At the extreme end of this, we’d have instant tests that everyone could self-administer every morning before you leave the house.

 

 

They're not being isolated though because the government is using precisely zero truncheons to the face to enforce it. People test positive and after five or seven or ten days decide that as they feel much better thank you that they and their family are no longer under restrictions.

[Szamo's_Ammo]

17 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

This is now available in libraries and all good book shops. As a nation rushed out to obtain this treasured tome, the number of cases has sky rocketed.

"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

I'm guessing Sir Tom will be punted out from the fireside to walk around his garden once we hit 10,000 cases per day.

Along with #clapforcarers and smug little twats breakdancing out on the street every Thursday night.

Dame Vera to be brought back from the dead in early November.

Government deflection on full beam.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

1 hour ago, Tynierose said:

It has been a strange time, I found it bewildering that NHS drug addiction services sent letters to some of their clients advising them no more support due to the pandemic and they were discharged. I believe some mental health services did similar for their more stable clients 

Its absolutely batshit crazy to reduce service provision in those fields when their client groups will be at their most vulnerable and require support due the effects of the pandemic.

Our HV's are still seeing people on a reduced capacity.  The area I work in has high deprivation so f**k knows how many potential issues are being missed.

Its a clusterfuck.

At a time when these services are going to be needed more its unbelievable. 

Apparently the guidance in GGC is that face to face should be offered however the letter we received didnt mention that at all, simply if the telephone consult didnt suit then they’ll arrange another date. Now for kids in poverty or at risk/vulnerable, how does that even remotely meet the statutory requirements? 

[Donathan]

Latest talk I could find on this is "widely available by mid 21". If its approved for use before then, the priority groups will be given it long before 9 months is out. The chat about "widely available" seems to be aimed at giving enough people the vaccine worldwide to acheive a global level of herd immunity ie billions of doses, and tens of millions in the UK.

I assume they’ll relax social distancing once the high risk groups have been injected?

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

1 hour ago, RH33 said:

I called NHS24 in June. Police came out and waited until CPN called me. CPN was as much use as chocolate teapot. Police officer was like, did she have any idea what BPD is as you sounded like you had educate her? Police were great though.

There isn’t much in way psychiatric services to start with.

 

30 month check is waste time. By time my younger two were that age I just didn’t bother.

Yeh, the default from NHS 24 is ‘oh youre suicidal? Do you have a knife in your kitchen? Or have you ever felt anger in your life?’ - yes ‘oh my your a safety risk so we’ll get the police to go in the first instance’ , call transferred and police told person suicidal and has access to knife, its utterly stupid. 
You then have police going to calls which should be attended by paramedics or CPN’s, people in real crisis who are asking for help and the response is untrained people who ultimately try their best but are limited to only phoning a CPN or taking them to A&E, just the NHS shifting their lack of resources onto an agency which can’t say no. 

[Bairnardo]

I assume they’ll relax social distancing once the high risk groups have been injected?

Christ knows. You would like to think so.

Maybe the nine months already has built in the time wasted whilst Boris makes a rip roaring c**t of it/awards a vaccine distribution contract to some shell company that exists only in a filing cabinet in his pals office.

[D.A.F.C]

Latest talk I could find on this is "widely available by mid 21". If its approved for use before then, the priority groups will be given it long before 9 months is out. The chat about "widely available" seems to be aimed at giving enough people the vaccine worldwide to acheive a global level of herd immunity ie billions of doses, and tens of millions in the UK.

Hope that they sort out shielded and vulnerable folk soon. If its out there and used on a big scale by next summer then I'd be shocked.
Not trying to be confrontational or shocking but theres no real progress in terms of finding anything concrete. Just trials and tests albeit at a breakneck pace.
Test, track and trace is the way forward and its nowhere near good enough atm.
To come out of the first lockdown we should have been at a million tests a day and getting that up by hundreds of thousands a month.
Presently the real (general public) testing is only around 100k.
This could be a long term thing before there's a real fix.

[Bairnardo]

Yeh, the default from NHS 24 is ‘oh youre suicidal? Do you have a knife in your kitchen? Or have you ever felt anger in your life?’ - yes ‘oh my your a safety risk so we’ll get the police to go in the first instance’ , call transferred and police told person suicidal and has access to knife, its utterly stupid. 
You then have police going to calls which should be attended by paramedics or CPN’s, people in real crisis who are asking for help and the response is untrained people who ultimately try their best but are limited to only phoning a CPN or taking them to A&E, just the NHS shifting their lack of resources onto an agency which can’t say no. 

I havent seen much chat on here today, though maybe I missed it, about the figures for the drop in cancer referrals. That's going to come home to roost in a very very sad way.

[Bairnardo]

Hope that they sort out shielded and vulnerable folk soon. If its out there and used on a big scale by next summer then I'd be shocked.
Not trying to be confrontational or shocking but theres no real progress in terms of finding anything concrete. Just trials and tests albeit at a breakneck pace.
Test, track and trace is the way forward and its nowhere near good enough atm.
To come out of the first lockdown we should have been at a million tests a day and getting that up by hundreds of thousands a month.
Presently the real (general public) testing is only around 100k.
This could be a long term thing before there's a real fix.

Apologies for not multi quoting, seen this after my last post, but what are you basing your "no progress" assessment on? The Oxford one seems to be very close indeed.

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Steven W said:

The answer is treatments and vaccines. Went so quiet on that front. At the outset was talk of August / September FFS

That was always pie in the sky stuff, realistically we could be living with this indefinitely although with all the resources being thrown at the scientific research, one would hope that we may be lucky and find something that works within months rather than years, however getting it in to commercial use will take many more months so best case is probably at least another year of this.

Maybe a stop / start strategy is what could be best, ie 3 months minor restrictions followed by a 1 month full lockdown, then rinse and repeat.

Who knows ??

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

5 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

8 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Yeh, the default from NHS 24 is ‘oh youre suicidal? Do you have a knife in your kitchen? Or have you ever felt anger in your life?’ - yes ‘oh my your a safety risk so we’ll get the police to go in the first instance’ , call transferred and police told person suicidal and has access to knife, its utterly stupid. 
You then have police going to calls which should be attended by paramedics or CPN’s, people in real crisis who are asking for help and the response is untrained people who ultimately try their best but are limited to only phoning a CPN or taking them to A&E, just the NHS shifting their lack of resources onto an agency which can’t say no. 

I havent seen much chat on here today, though maybe I missed it, about the figures for the drop in cancer referrals. That's going to come home to roost in a very very sad way.

Mrs ICR has said that hospital consultants are batting referrals away, one of her colleagues tried to get a suspected cancer case referred and got knocked back, but he had access to some kind of old fashioned referral for the specific type of scan which bypassed the specialists, result came back as cancer. I think things like that coupled with people being less likely to visit the GP. Some surgeries including the one local to us are acutely refusing face to face consultations and this seems to be quite common. We are heading for a much bigger disaster in terms of health than just covid. 

[vikingTON]

1 minute ago, WATTOO said:

That was always pie in the sky stuff, realistically we could be living with this indefinitely although with all the resources being thrown at the scientific research, one would hope that we may be lucky and find something that works within months rather than years, however getting it in to commercial use will take many more months so best case is probably at least another year of this.

Maybe a stop / start strategy is what could be best, ie 3 months minor restrictions followed by a 1 month full lockdown, then rinse and repeat.

Who knows ??

The best outcome if you want to return civilisation to the Stone Age, sure. The idea that we should accept indefinite restrictions and one month lockdowns as the ongoing cost to control such a threat is utterly ridiculous. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

8 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

 

 

Apologies for not multi quoting, seen this after my last post, but what are you basing your "no progress" assessment on? The Oxford one seems to be very close indeed.

 

The WHO are saying mid 2021 themselves. 
 

Think the most likely outcome mid-long term is this becomes accepted as an endemic illness and we manage it that way. 

[D.A.F.C]

Apologies for not multi quoting, seen this after my last post, but what are you basing your "no progress" assessment on? The Oxford one seems to be very close indeed.

Not sure about very close, its shown to have an auto immune response.
Getting from there to using it in enough people safely this year? Even within nine months. I would love it if this was a realistic timescale. Its fantastic if we can get a vaccine but what I'm saying is that perhaps TTT should be ramped up as much as possible.
An effective daily test, even for all vulnerable and support workers would be as effective as a vaccine and could actually be done.
A vaccine is still not 100% certain yet. Of course nobody will come out and tell us that even nine months is a daft timescale.
Trump was talking about one being ready months ago. China and Russia said they had a working vaccine. Some of this is political.

[Bairnardo]

1 minute ago, D.A.F.C said:

Not sure about very close, its shown to have an auto immune response.
Getting from there to using it in enough people safely this year? Even within nine months. I would love it if this was a realistic timescale. Its fantastic if we can get a vaccine but what I'm saying is that perhaps TTT should be ramped up as much as possible.
An effective daily test, even for all vulnerable and support workers would be as effective as a vaccine and could actually be done.
A vaccine is still not 100% certain yet. Of course nobody will come out and tell us that even nine months is a daft timescale.
Trump was talking about one being ready months ago. China and Russia said they had a working vaccine. Some of this is political.

Russia and China have been vaccinating people though. Russia I believe the public and China are giving it to their military. The oxford/AZ one is already being manufactured on the assumption it passes trials. 

Genuinely not sure where you are getting this stuff from unless you dont believe the info that is being put out there. 9 months is not realistic to get to the levels of global vaccination that we eventually need to get to, it certainly doesnt seem unrealistic to have done enough in the UK itself in order to start shedding some restrictions though. 

[RH33]

15 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

Yeh, the default from NHS 24 is ‘oh youre suicidal? Do you have a knife in your kitchen? Or have you ever felt anger in your life?’ - yes ‘oh my your a safety risk so we’ll get the police to go in the first instance’ , call transferred and police told person suicidal and has access to knife, its utterly stupid. 
You then have police going to calls which should be attended by paramedics or CPN’s, people in real crisis who are asking for help and the response is untrained people who ultimately try their best but are limited to only phoning a CPN or taking them to A&E, just the NHS shifting their lack of resources onto an agency which can’t say no. 

As I understand it more and more police time is being taken up with mental health issues. People ending up in cells as there’s nowhere else for people at risk to be taken. I’ve called NHS24 Out of hours twice and wouldn’t bother again. 
Covid will only see things get worse.

[dirty dingus]

Just now, Bairnardo said:

Russia and China have been vaccinating people though. Russia I believe the public and China are giving it to their military. The oxford/AZ one is already being manufactured on the assumption it passes trials. 

Genuinely not sure where you are getting this stuff from unless you dont believe the info that is being put out there. 9 months is not realistic to get to the levels of global vaccination that we eventually need to get to, it certainly doesnt seem unrealistic to have done enough in the UK itself in order to start shedding some restrictions though. 

Is Trump not planning to unleash some sort of vaccine in a couple of weeks to try buy the election? If it fails he'll just blame those who didn't pray hard enough.