Boostin' Kev Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Don't tell me there's a Glasgow Live group as well, the Edinburgh one's awful. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Just now, Marshmallo said: We aren't there yet but we are heading that way if what I've read (admittedly on sites such as "Glasgow Live") today is correct as we move towards different tiers, with the most extreme essentially looking like April but with schools open. Given that kids can only catch it once then if it has been circulating in schools for months by the time we hit that point they should have some immunity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 48 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Again, (how many times do I need to do this), I'll point out that NS and the SG are merely following the science and that science is almost identical across the whole of Europe. "Merely following the science" doesn't mean anything when science isn't conveyed to us as a neutral force of nature and when the decisions that are implemented are subjected (even more so) to politics and ideology. You sound like you're trying to absolve the Scottish government of any criticism of how it's implemented its response to Covid-19. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostin' Kev Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 A Friday midnight lockdown for Greater Manchester so the media can show how badly behaved the public will be prior to that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 6 minutes ago, Boostin' Kev said: Don't tell me there's a Glasgow Live group as well, the Edinburgh one's awful. 8 Scrummy Southside Eateries We're Missing This Week! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 19 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Right, so closing the schools will make it all go away ?? He isn't arguing that closing schools will make it all go away. He's arguing - and it's being proven - that the current draconian measures aren't making a fucking joy of a difference apart from damaging peoples mental health and pushing families into poverty. That comes from the SG and NS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bernardblack Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Five tiers in Scotland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Boostin' Kev said: A Friday midnight lockdown for Greater Manchester so the media can show how badly behaved the public will be prior to that. Say what you like but only the Conservative Party truly understand the small minded petty authoritarianism of the average Brit 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 21, 2020 Author Share Posted October 21, 2020 11:59pm on Friday night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, WATTOO said: Again, (how many times do I need to do this), I'll point out that NS and the SG are merely following the science and that science is almost identical across the whole of Europe. If they were "merely following the science", then we'd still be in a total lockdown, because scientifically that is the best way to avoid the spread of the disease. If nobody is interacting with anyone else then it's impossible for the disease to spread. We still need hospitals to look after the ill people, we still need various health services for people with other conditions, we still need supermarkets in order to be able to feed ourselves, and then we still need some form of public transport in order to get the people doing these jobs to the places they need to be. If it was as simple as following the science, then these would be the only things operating right now. As soon as you start seeing schools and other educational establishments, or any other non-essential businesses opening, that is no longer "merely following the science". You are immediately making social and economic decisions, albeit ones still influenced to some extent by scientific principles. However, "the science" alone doesn't say anything about which things out of garden centres, cafes, pubs, leisure centres and sports stadiums should be opened. Those are entirely economic decisions. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 44 minutes ago, WATTOO said: Right, so closing the schools will make it all go away ?? That doesn't seem to be having much of an effect across Central and Eastern Europe at the moment......... This is the ultimate strawman argument. Literally no-one on this website has ever called for schools to be closed. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 13 minutes ago, craigkillie said: If they were "merely following the science", then we'd still be in a total lockdown, because scientifically that is the best way to avoid the spread of the disease. If nobody is interacting with anyone else then it's impossible for the disease to spread. We still need hospitals to look after the ill people, we still need various health services for people with other conditions, we still need supermarkets in order to be able to feed ourselves, and then we still need some form of public transport in order to get the people doing these jobs to the places they need to be. If it was as simple as following the science, then these would be the only things operating right now. As soon as you start seeing schools and other educational establishments, or any other non-essential businesses opening, that is no longer "merely following the science". You are immediately making social and economic decisions, albeit ones still influenced to some extent by scientific principles. However, "the science" alone doesn't say anything about which things out of garden centres, cafes, pubs, leisure centres and sports stadiums should be opened. Those are entirely economic decisions. That's only the case if you believe that medical science is the only science worth listening to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Detournement said: There needs to be a distinction between walking the dog or quickly popping into a shop and just carrying on as normal. Staying in for 10/14 days is impossible for many people. Sorry, people with Covid are just popping out the shop, and that's fine? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 The Science 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boostin' Kev Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 23 minutes ago, ICTChris said: 11:59pm on Friday night. It won't even be as good as that imo. The pubs were bouncing around here a couple of weeks ago on the Friday before this wee circuit breaker. Heard of people booking half days annual leave on the Friday so they could go out and get wrecked during the day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Billy Jean King said: 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: Well, aye. I find it slightly odd that, among those advising, there are no epidemiologists or virologists. I don't expect NS or a Dentist to be subject matter experts, but I would expect, as a minimum, for them to consult those who are. If only we had someone with something like a masters in Public Health from Harvard instead of a dentist eh ? Why not simply ask some epidemiologists or virologists for their input? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Marshmallo said: The Science Science isn't static, now they know it is airborne. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Marshmallo said: The Science The guys a fanny but pulling up something he said months ago as criticism when in the intervening period the prevailing science has changed a fair bit and our understanding of the virus is a lot deeper is a but unfair. You have republicans in America calling for physical violence against Fauci because he said early on that masks had little use. What we need in charge is people who will change tack based on new developments. Again, leitch is a fanny and the culturally inappropriate stuff re masks was absolutely ridiculous and should have qualified him for a swift boot in the stones 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Todd_is_God said: Why not simply ask some epidemiologists or virologists for their input? You think they don't? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Sorry, people with Covid are just popping out the shop, and that's fine? The vast majority of people self isolating don't have Covid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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