welshbairn Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Robin.Hood said: I got told that my son could get a second one in 8 weeks time if we feel he needs one ( this is regarding what family members he would be around we feel he may be a rick to incase he carries anything etc). The NHS Inform site indicates they're expecting a second jag to be authorised for everyone soon. Quote All other children and young people aged 12 to 15 years will be offered a first dose of the vaccine. The timing of a second dose will be confirmed later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 BTW, under 18s are treated as fully vacinated adults for returning to the UK whether they're vaccinated or not, unless they're foreigners. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob Mahelp Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: I haven't been asked for contact details or to scan a QR code for months, except once when I was down in Cornwall. Was down in England last week and the only difference I saw between bars/restaurants there and here, was that in England only around 40% of customers walk in wearing masks. In both countries, once you're in masks come off. In both countries, staff always wear masks. We went into the Minster (we were in York) and the railway museum and in both places everyone was wearing masks. Yes, it's not legally enforceable but indoor places ask to you wear them and as far as I could see pretty much everyone goes along with the request. Can't remember the last time I was asked to complete the track & trace in Scotland. Does anyone do that anymore ? To say that there's a massive difference between England and Scotland is just clearly wrong. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, ICTChris said: 70% of employers expect redundancies. https://www.cityam.com/wave-of-redundancies-looming-70-per-cent-of-uk-employers-expect-job-cuts-as-furlough-scheme-ends/ I can't find a more recent figure, but 1.6m were still on furlough at the end of July - basically two weeks after England's reopening. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58498433 Goes without saying that anyone still furloughed now is in a precarious position, sadly. Hopefully that number has reduced substantially; whilst no guarantee that someone will keep their job, anyone still furloughed seems an obvious candidate for redundancy when they come round. Edited September 28, 2021 by Michael W 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 9 minutes ago, Michael W said: I can't find a more recent figure, but 1.6m were still on furlough at the end of July - basically two weeks after England's reopening. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58498433 Goes without saying that anyone still furloughed now is in a precarious position, sadly. Hopefully that number has reduced substantially; whilst no guarantee that someone will keep their job, anyone still furloughed seems an obvious candidate for redundancy when they come round. Good news is there are huge amounts of vacancies in many of the sectors where the redundancies will likely be happening. For some hopefully redundancy be a nice little earner before they start somewhere else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Pubs is the obvious odd one out because anything else would be utterly farcical and even the Scottish Government had to climb down from this. Bars that also serve as restaurants largely still enforce the theatre, and then there's restaurants more generally along with shops, museums, etc.Not sure what you mean by artificially high testing in Scotland. Your poster boy Norway has consistently tested between 5-10k per day MORE than we have in the last week. Yesterday for example 23k tests here 34k tests in Norway. Your Trumpian 'our numbers are only high cos we test too much" schtick is nonsense. Our prevelance is WAY higher than the Scandi countries despite recent big falls. If we had infection / hospitalization / death rates they have we too would be in a position to drop restrictions like they have been able to do. Also testing is 100% voluntary, people are CHOOSING to be tested just like they are in Norway. You don't agree with those choosing to be tested but that's their choice. No country is stopping people from testing if they so wish.I have never had a test, never felt the need but I certainly don't get the rage like you do at those who do feel the need. That is totally their choice and it is most certainly not the test numbers that are stopping the removal of the last few restrictions as Norway clearly demonstrates. Norway last week (ie the here and now) tested more and found less quite simply because the prevelance there is way less than here (3.5% positivity yesterday ). Testing here will not diminish while it is used to prevent isolation. Of course every close contact will take a test to prevent that, just as they do in Norway. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 36 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: Was down in England last week and the only difference I saw between bars/restaurants there and here, was that in England only around 40% of customers walk in wearing masks. In both countries, once you're in masks come off. In both countries, staff always wear masks. We went into the Minster (we were in York) and the railway museum and in both places everyone was wearing masks. Yes, it's not legally enforceable but indoor places ask to you wear them and as far as I could see pretty much everyone goes along with the request. Can't remember the last time I was asked to complete the track & trace in Scotland. Does anyone do that anymore ? To say that there's a massive difference between England and Scotland is just clearly wrong. Went to Dobbies today with my wife and it was full blown t and t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 41 minutes ago, Bob Mahelp said: Was down in England last week and the only difference I saw between bars/restaurants there and here, was that in England only around 40% of customers walk in wearing masks. In both countries, once you're in masks come off. In both countries, staff always wear masks. We went into the Minster (we were in York) and the railway museum and in both places everyone was wearing masks. Yes, it's not legally enforceable but indoor places ask to you wear them and as far as I could see pretty much everyone goes along with the request. Can't remember the last time I was asked to complete the track & trace in Scotland. Does anyone do that anymore ? To say that there's a massive difference between England and Scotland is just clearly wrong. Was asked to do track and trace for going into McDonalds at Waverley Mall on Friday. Had a night out on Saturday and the bar stuff didn’t seem to give a f**k if anyone was wearing a mask or do track and trace. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budmiester1 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 3 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: 4 hours ago, budmiester1 said: Just got back from London last night after a long weekend, the difference between Scotland and England is stark. We only wore a mask when we were on public transport and at the airport, everywhere else we didn’t bother, nobody tutted or pointed at us,they just got on with life. Being able to just walk into a pub or restaurant without checking in on TT , walking up to the bar and ordering a beer with no palaver was brilliant. I'm really not getting that people are not able to walk into a pub, up to a bar and order here without any interventions. It's been that way almost every pub I have been in since the rules changed. I see very few pubs operating differently here now to England and I have been down south now twice since July easing. I'm not being asked to put on a mask or give contact details down in Ayrshire or in Paisley / Glasgow. I don't see 'stark differences" between how pubs are operating here and in England and haven't for weeks now. I went to get a drink at Glasgow airport in the Beardmore , before I was allowed in I had to complete the track and trace online, not one place in London even batted an eyelid to me walking in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budmiester1 Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Bob Mahelp said: Was down in England last week and the only difference I saw between bars/restaurants there and here, was that in England only around 40% of customers walk in wearing masks. In both countries, once you're in masks come off. In both countries, staff always wear masks. We went into the Minster (we were in York) and the railway museum and in both places everyone was wearing masks. Yes, it's not legally enforceable but indoor places ask to you wear them and as far as I could see pretty much everyone goes along with the request. Can't remember the last time I was asked to complete the track & trace in Scotland. Does anyone do that anymore ? To say that there's a massive difference between England and Scotland is just clearly wrong. Not in my experience in restaurants and bars down in London, the vast majority of staff were not wearing masks and most definitely not the customers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, budmiester1 said: I went to get a drink at Glasgow airport in the Beardmore , before I was allowed in I had to complete the track and trace online, not one place in London even batted an eyelid to me walking in. That's because England, like a lot of other countries, accept Covid is just another respiratory virus that will kill very few of all the people who will get it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: Not sure what you mean by artificially high testing in Scotland. Your poster boy Norway has consistently tested between 5-10k per day MORE than we have in the last week. Yesterday for example 23k tests here 34k tests in Norway. Your Trumpian 'our numbers are only high cos we test too much" schtick is nonsense. Our prevelance is WAY higher than the Scandi countries despite recent big falls. If we had infection / hospitalization / death rates they have we too would be in a position to drop restrictions like they have been able to do. Also testing is 100% voluntary, people are CHOOSING to be tested just like they are in Norway. You don't agree with those choosing to be tested but that's their choice. No country is stopping people from testing if they so wish. I have never had a test, never felt the need but I certainly don't get the rage like you do at those who do feel the need. That is totally their choice and it is most certainly not the test numbers that are stopping the removal of the last few restrictions as Norway clearly demonstrates. Norway last week (ie the here and now) tested more and found less quite simply because the prevelance there is way less than here (3.5% positivity yesterday ). Testing here will not diminish while it is used to prevent isolation. Of course every close contact will take a test to prevent that, just as they do in Norway. Are they testing the school bairns where most of our cases are coming from? It's all very good, except masks and vaxx certs are gone over there and won't be reintroduced because they aren't massive bed wetters. Our 'cases' quite literally 'spiked' as high as you could expect after reopening and then schools going back, only for them to continue plummeting after a few weeks. Not once was the health service even close to falling over, despite the self-imposed constraints put on it by ongoing distancing requirements. Imagine continuing to drone on about 'cases' in a near universally vaccinated population to try and justify pointless theatre that is no longer required. Our nearest neighbour literally proves this, the Nordics are just an inconvenience for the Simps as they can't be accused of being RECKLESS TORIEZZZ11!!! Edited September 28, 2021 by Elixir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Couple of cases at our bairns school this week but she’s been put as low risk/low contact so no testing required. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddfg Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 We were in the Brewing Company in St Andrews a couple of weekends ago and not only did we get asked to scan the QR code the member of staff asked if she could check that I'd done it, same weekend at Balgove Larder we got handed a slip of paper to fill in our details and earlier this month had to scan a code before getting into the Glee Club in Glasgow. In my experience track and trace checks are still being completed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 5 hours ago, budmiester1 said: Just got back from London last night after a long weekend, the difference between Scotland and England is stark. We only wore a mask when we were on public transport and at the airport, everywhere else we didn’t bother, nobody tutted or pointed at us,they just got on with life. Being able to just walk into a pub or restaurant without checking in on TT , walking up to the bar and ordering a beer with no palaver was brilliant. I didnt know England had ditched Track and Trace at restaurants etc. Wonder how long it will be before the SG ditch that and their beloved masks/vaccine passports 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, ddfg said: We were in the Brewing Company in St Andrews a couple of weekends ago and not only did we get asked to scan the QR code the member of staff asked if she could check that I'd done it, same weekend at Balgove Larder we got handed a slip of paper to fill in our details and earlier this month had to scan a code before getting into the Glee Club in Glasgow. In my experience track and trace checks are still being completed. St Andrews itself has been very hot on playing by the rules due to the large Student population against the very elderly locals. Currently 29 cases in the borough with a current population of over 20,000. About 140 per 100K with huge amounts of Students being tested. About 1/3rd of the current Scottish average. Edited September 28, 2021 by superbigal -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddfg Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, superbigal said: St Andrews itself has been very hot on playing by the rules due to the large Student population against the very elderly locals. Currently 29 cases in the borough with a current population of over 20,000. About 140 per 100K with huge amounts of Students being tested. About 1/3rd of the current Scottish average. We're up here quite a lot and are on a few local FB pages, it was quite heated this time last year with a lot of anti student sentiment. I wasn't aware of increased case number just now but remember the unilateral decision by the Uni to confine students ro their rooms with about 2hrs notice last autumn. Edited September 28, 2021 by ddfg 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 Imagine buying a house in a town that's most famous for having a university and then complaining about students. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 I went to get a drink at Glasgow airport in the Beardmore , before I was allowed in I had to complete the track and trace online, not one place in London even batted an eyelid to me walking in. Airports are understandable 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted September 28, 2021 Share Posted September 28, 2021 (edited) Nippy's statement to parliament now. Good to hear that 'so far' the students coming back hasn't been followed by a rise in cases. Fingers crossed. Numbers overall look good apart from the positivity. Edited September 28, 2021 by Suspect Device 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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