topcat(The most tip top) Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Reconstruction or compensation?How about neither? Well then it’s moot obviously 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Detournement said: Sorry to burst your bubble but that doesn't preclude going to court in Scotland. It only means that clubs have to adhere to any CAS judgement that applies to them. For fairly obvious reasons it's not legal to create a contract where a party gives up their right under UK law to access the judicial system. Yes. They can take the SPFL to court. But if they don't go to arbitration first, the SFA doesn't have to be friends with them afterwards and can say stuff like 'Pay a million quid fine or we'll kick you out of the SFA and the Scottish Cup'. They're not prevented from going to court without arbitration first. But there can be consequences if they do. And Hearts did agree to that when they signed up to become an SFA member - there's nothing untoward going on. Edited June 17, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Stubbs Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Much as I've just said that I have no idea how this will go, I really can't see SPFL sanctioning Hearts and Thistle. Some kind of agreement that gives everyone an opportunity to claim a victory/save face wouldn't be massively surprising. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Aim Here said: Yes. They can take the SPFL to court. But if they don't go to arbitration first, the SFA doesn't have to be friends with them afterwards and can say stuff like 'Pay a million quid fine or we'll kick you out of the SFA and the Scottish Cup'. And Hearts did agree to that when they signed up to become an SFA member, so there's no kind of overreach. They definitely can't do that! It's like saying you can't take legal action against a landlord, a contractor or employer if they decide they don't want you to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 26 minutes ago, Sparticus said: Have any clubs done this in history? Suggest you fill out your applications for the East of Scotland and West of Scotland leagues respectively. Tayside Juniors are looking for applicants, might be willing to stretch the rules? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Detournement said: They definitely can't do that! It's like saying you can't take legal action against a landlord, a contractor or employer if they decide they don't want you to. But you can still turf the arsehole out on their arse when the case is over...They could win and be awarded damages and then the SPFL could rescind their memberships and where do they go with their money?..I really wish the league had some balls and show these fuckers the door. Edited June 17, 2020 by Well Well 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 14 minutes ago, Detournement said: Sorry to burst your bubble but that doesn't preclude going to court in Scotland. It only means that clubs have to adhere to any CAS judgement that applies to them. For fairly obvious reasons it's not legal to create a contract where a party gives up their right under UK law to access the judicial system. Perhaps you've just expressed your point badly but it absolutely is lawful (i.e. enforceable) for parties to contract out of the jurisdiction of the ordinary courts in favour of an alternative forum for arbitration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Detournement said: They definitely can't do that! It's like saying you can't take legal action against a landlord, a contractor or employer if they decide they don't want you to. They're not saying that Hearts can't take legal action. They're saying IF Hearts do, then they may lose a bunch of membership privileges. If you sue your landlord or employer, they might be annoyed and not grant you a lease/contract extension. It's a free association thing - you don't have to refrain from suing someone, but if you do sue, there may well be other, non-legal consequences. (The one reason I think this might not apply is that I don't think the SPFL is a proper member of the SFA and so it might not be considered a dispute that the SFA cares about for the purposes of arbitration. It might be different if Hearts was suing another SFA member club or member association.) Edited June 17, 2020 by Aim Here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 30 minutes ago, Sparticus said: Have any clubs done this in history? Suggest you fill out your applications for the East of Scotland and West of Scotland leagues respectively. Hearts are already members of the East of Scotland FA so that's one less thing for them to worry about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, Pet Jeden said: Yes. Usually for about a week or two. Then we do the same. I would rather the Scotgov would divert it's energies to getting our own testing and tracing up to England's (poor) standards and get our own care homes protection up to England's (poor) standards, than try to look independent and responsible by doing what they do - 7 days later. Probably the wrong thread for that rant - apologies, mods. That's a meaningless post in the context of when football can start in Scotland. It's 1st August no matter what you think it should be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenHibee Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) Heart of Midlothian Football Club taking a global pandemic to court. If they seek an interdict on resuming the new season, they should be expelled altogether from the Scottish Leagues for bringing the game into severe disrepute. Their conduct throughout this sorry episode has been nothing short of an embarrassment to our game. Edited June 17, 2020 by AberdeenHibee 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacArab Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, FTOF said: I see that the mantra "It's all for the good of Scottish football" didn't last long. What an odious steaming shite of a club. Dear Hearts, Get to f**k. Kindest Regards The rest of Scottish football. (Pretty much) 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 This is just content for the second season of that bbc show imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonD Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 2 hours ago, wastecoatwilly said: It's been said before Celtic have players on loan all over the place if there is less on loan because of the colts other teams will be able to develop their own. Or you could just not sign every player in the land, then you wouldn't need multiple teams to give them all a game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Apparently Hearts official compo figure is £8m. Partick Thistle want £2m. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Well then it’s moot obviously Get doooooooooooon! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. X Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 This thread still here? But Ric said... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Just now, Mr. X said: This thread still here? But Ric said... Lots more laughing at Hearts to be done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Apparently Hearts official compo figure is £8m. Partick Thistle want £2m. Stranraer get a 10 pence mix up and two bubblys. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wastecoatwilly Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Blue Brazil Forever said: League 2 continues to be competitive with two clubs plus a possible (play off) third being promoted and one involved in a play off with the pyramid winner. Which two clubs do you propose should be demoted to make way for the two colt teams? If that hurdle is crossed, what are the conditions for the colts? They would have to be eligible for promotion or demotion to a lower league, either the East of Scotland or the Northern League. Situations could arise where the The Boards and/ or managements could directly influence the results of games in League 2 or higher plus problems would be caused by participation in cup games. This is why the idea has been rejected out of hand for the past three years. Please give some constructive thought before, inevitably, the same daft idea will be advanced again I was totally disapponted but not surprised that media idiots endorsed the suggestion this time round. For me the colts are for the development of young talent, only competitive football is what's needed at a certain point in that development(18 to 21), the level is less important than getting the 50 games under their belts.if the level isn't good enough or is too good then it should be reviewed.As far as the league they play in, their position in that league doesn't matter. The challenge cup hasn't been effected by the colts, I wouldn't think they would be allowed to play in the Scottish cup. It's not about devaluing the league they play in, it's about creating a conveyor belt of players to increase the level of our game at club level and hopefully national level. -5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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