Mark Connolly Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Maybe we have to sell McLeod before someone realises we've made a c**t of his contract like we did with Neilson? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Mark Connolly said: Maybe we have to sell McLeod before someone realises we've made a c**t of his contract like we did with Neilson? BINGO 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Obviously McLeod's registration won't be transferred until the summer window, but even if he does hang around at United until then (or longer - not ta) it must surely dampen his motivation to do well for United. Big transfer all lined up already, easy to take the foot off the gas going into a 50:50 etc. Fine if he was just a youth player but this guy is currently second choice striker at the club. He'll be used regularly until the end of the season (or not, in which case you've further weakened the first team squad). ... Any word on whether everyone has been sacked yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 minute ago, Pull My Strings said: Obviously McLeod's registration won't be transferred until the summer window, but even if he does hang around at United until then (or longer - not ta) it must surely dampen his motivation to do well for United. Big transfer all lined up already, easy to take the foot off the gas going into a 50:50 etc. Fine if he was just a youth player but this guy is currently second choice striker at the club. He'll be used regularly until the end of the season (or not, in which case you've further weakened the first team squad). ... Any word on whether everyone has been sacked yet? My guess is the club haven't thought that through and will just point at the "aNoThEr AcAdEmY gRaDuAtE sOlD for £x!!!1111" banner again. Further pushes the fact that we are so threadbare all over the park, especially up front. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loemba90 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Every day we become a bigger shambles. I think only relegation will get rid of Asghar. Is it a price worth paying? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinkle Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 47 minutes ago, Loemba90 said: Every day we become a bigger shambles. I think only relegation will get rid of Asghar. Is it a price worth paying? No. The target was top 6 with our budget and he will fail to deliver that. Add in the shambolic decisions all season and he should be out the door come May. We can do without going down 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Pull My Strings said: Obviously McLeod's registration won't be transferred until the summer window, but even if he does hang around at United until then (or longer - not ta) it must surely dampen his motivation to do well for United. Big transfer all lined up already, easy to take the foot off the gas going into a 50:50 etc. Fine if he was just a youth player but this guy is currently second choice striker at the club. He'll be used regularly until the end of the season (or not, in which case you've further weakened the first team squad). ... Any word on whether everyone has been sacked yet? This, just shows how incredibly short sighted the club are being atm. Wonder where this all fits in the 5 year plan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) 8 hours ago, ArabianKnight said: This, just shows how incredibly short sighted the club are being atm. Wonder where this all fits in the 5 year plan I'm starting to think the 5 year plan is Year 1 Buy over club on its knees and install inexperienced Sporting Director to run multi million pound business. Year 2 Give said CEO a fortune and free reign to run said business. Year 3 Wait, after all that...where is all the money in Scottish Football? Year 4 <penny dropping sound> There's f**k all money in Scottish Football unless you sell players. We dont have any good ones. Jesus Christ he's even managed to dredge up the worst Keeper in Australia too. And all the managers he picks leave asap or are totally shite. Now they're booing and going nuts. Which one of these two morons do I fire? f**k sake were getting relegated. Fire sale. Year 5 Bail out. f**k this noise. Edited February 21 by mishtergrolsch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Potentially interesting day at Tannadice with the AGM… I’ll get a bit of heat for this no doubt, but I’ve always been a puzzled by the AshgarOut brigade. I know he has an important role at the club, but he’s neither a player or a coach and he doesn’t pull the purse strings either. But none of that is to suggest that Ashgar is blameless in all this. However, I’ve now noticed on-line quite a few dissenting voices at Ogren’s direction of late – the man who does pull the purse strings – and there would seem to be a dawning realisation among some that Ogren is either unwilling, or unable to throw any more money at this. To me, Ogren gambled in the summer with a series of expensive signings in the hope he’d recoup that cash (and more) with a run in Europe. That obviously backfired and we are where we are now, punting a load of players out on loan to save wages, unable to sack our hopeless manager, unable to make desperately needed new signings and selling off MacLeod at the very first sniff of a bid for him. I worry we may end up with an owner whose primary objective now is to drain as much money out the club at any length so he can recoup the millions he’s already lost (understandable in all honesty). I’m not sure of the specifics of how the likes of Oldham and Scunthorpe got themselves in the mess they’re currently in (although I do know that it centres around their owners), but I am beginning to draw parallels with their predicaments and ours. Hopefully we’ll get some clarity today 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 3 hours ago, Steven W said: Potentially interesting day at Tannadice with the AGM… I’ll get a bit of heat for this no doubt, but I’ve always been a puzzled by the AshgarOut brigade. I know he has an important role at the club, but he’s neither a player or a coach and he doesn’t pull the purse strings either. But none of that is to suggest that Ashgar is blameless in all this. However, I’ve now noticed on-line quite a few dissenting voices at Ogren’s direction of late – the man who does pull the purse strings – and there would seem to be a dawning realisation among some that Ogren is either unwilling, or unable to throw any more money at this. To me, Ogren gambled in the summer with a series of expensive signings in the hope he’d recoup that cash (and more) with a run in Europe. That obviously backfired and we are where we are now, punting a load of players out on loan to save wages, unable to sack our hopeless manager, unable to make desperately needed new signings and selling off MacLeod at the very first sniff of a bid for him. I worry we may end up with an owner whose primary objective now is to drain as much money out the club at any length so he can recoup the millions he’s already lost (understandable in all honesty). I’m not sure of the specifics of how the likes of Oldham and Scunthorpe got themselves in the mess they’re currently in (although I do know that it centres around their owners), but I am beginning to draw parallels with their predicaments and ours. Hopefully we’ll get some clarity today Without knowing what happened at Oldham and Scunthorpe, what parallels are you able to actually draw? Asghar controls the transfer policy and appoints the manager and coaching staff. Pretty easy to see why he's being criticised. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinkle Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 So Ogren has said he wont sack Asghar or Fox. Hes needs to f**k off as well if thats the way its going to go 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 54 minutes ago, Pull My Strings said: Without knowing what happened at Oldham and Scunthorpe, what parallels are you able to actually draw? Asghar controls the transfer policy and appoints the manager and coaching staff. Pretty easy to see why he's being criticised. All I know is they began to protest heavily against their owners - something we'll be doing pretty soon. But Ashgar doesn't control the pounds and shillings 5 minutes ago, Twinkle said: So Ogren has said he wont sack Asghar or Fox. Hes needs to f**k off as well if thats the way its going to go My point exactly. Ogren clearly not willing to pay for sacking Ashgar and Fox, nor the re-hiring of staff to replace them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior_Arab Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 4 hours ago, Steven W said: Potentially interesting day at Tannadice with the AGM… I’ll get a bit of heat for this no doubt, but I’ve always been a puzzled by the AshgarOut brigade. I know he has an important role at the club, but he’s neither a player or a coach and he doesn’t pull the purse strings either. But none of that is to suggest that Ashgar is blameless in all this. However, I’ve now noticed on-line quite a few dissenting voices at Ogren’s direction of late – the man who does pull the purse strings – and there would seem to be a dawning realisation among some that Ogren is either unwilling, or unable to throw any more money at this. To me, Ogren gambled in the summer with a series of expensive signings in the hope he’d recoup that cash (and more) with a run in Europe. That obviously backfired and we are where we are now, punting a load of players out on loan to save wages, unable to sack our hopeless manager, unable to make desperately needed new signings and selling off MacLeod at the very first sniff of a bid for him. I worry we may end up with an owner whose primary objective now is to drain as much money out the club at any length so he can recoup the millions he’s already lost (understandable in all honesty). I’m not sure of the specifics of how the likes of Oldham and Scunthorpe got themselves in the mess they’re currently in (although I do know that it centres around their owners), but I am beginning to draw parallels with their predicaments and ours. Hopefully we’ll get some clarity today I would agree that before now Asghar has had a lot of stick, much of it unjustified. But, in his role, I assume it was him who released Carson and went into the season with Eriksen & Birighitti. It was him that decided not to replace Eriksen, leaving us right now with only Newman who has never played a game at this level as far as I’m aware. If we had started this season with a competent keeper at this level (like Carson) I’d say we’d be an absolute minimum of 5 points better off. So it looks like those decisions on their own could be enough to relegate us. When you make a mistake that likely relegated us then you deserve the sack. That’s before even considering Lewis Neilson, the appointments of Ross & Fox, Tony Watt, the January window etc all of which have been major errors. Some more understandable than others admittedly, but all of which have hit us hard on the field of play and in the wallet. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fifespud Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 And you call us the ‘fun’. A wee look in the mirror required. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 hour ago, Fifespud said: And you call us the ‘fun’. A wee look in the mirror required. Suppose you're right. You guys were organised and had the buckets out and tablet for sale early doors second time round. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 10 minutes ago, mishtergrolsch said: Suppose you're right. You guys were organised and had the buckets out and tablet for sale early doors second time round. No need for that as we don't have that much external debt so. So no need for admin. We will be straight to liquidation when Ogren gets his directors loans back. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishtergrolsch Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, invergowrie arab said: No need for that as we don't have that much external debt so. So no need for admin. We will be straight to liquidation when Ogren gets his directors loans back. I'm not believing a word of that till a Dundee fan confirms. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 13 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: No need for that as we don't have that much external debt so. So no need for admin. We will be straight to liquidation when Ogren gets his directors loans back. Unless these are secured loans then he will have a hard time getting his money out that way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowayBlue Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 On 21/08/2022 at 08:18, GallowayBlue said: I feel like it’s time for the DUSF to stop funding infrastructure improvements and start building up a big cash fund. If Ogren gets fed up and decides he wants his money back, it will end in tears. Hmm... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 (edited) Are we going to get an explanation of the mechanics involved in a liquidation which would yield a higher return for Ogren than simply selling the club as going concern? I can see a short term rationale for a fire sale of players if he’s desperate to get an early return on his substantial investment but just don’t see how a liquidation helps the owners. Edit: ideally from someone with at least a moderate grasp of the concepts involved. Edited February 21 by Pull My Strings 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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