George Floyd/Black Lives Matter Protests

[WhiteRoseKillie]

14 hours ago, MixuFruit said:

The Daily Mail blasts the UK's racism problem out an airhorn on every page every day

"Foreigners coming over here, taking our jobs and benefits" is not the UK's problem.

People who read and believe the Mail's bullshit are.

[WhiteRoseKillie]

3 hours ago, Arabdownunder said:

Disturbing insight into Mr & Mrs BigFatTabby's predilections. Assume Scale Modelling is a euphemism for something sordid. 

I'm with BFTD here - one of the upsides of lockdown (in the brief period when I was wfh) ws to survey my stash of unbuilt kits, re-organise my workbench, check supplies of paint, glues, etc. and think, smugly, "Months stuck at home, with no social interaction? Pfft, we've trained for this."

Edited June 4, 2020 by WhiteRoseKillie

[Jambomo]

Maybe I’ve watched too many Twitter clips but American police are beginnIng to look less like a police force and more like some kind of rogue army force. Seeing everything they are doing is like watching a film and we are just waiting for the superhero to come along and take them out.

[Benjamin_Nevis]

Oh God,  I'm sorry. I never realised it was a clique thread.
 
 

If by "clique" you everyone who isn't a desperate, attention-seeking loser, then yes.

[SweeperDee]

If you think the social unrest is bad just now, wait until the 4 cops are eventually acquitted. 

I doubt it tbf, Derek Chauvin’s murder charge has been bumped up to 2nd degree from 3rd.

[Silvio Tattiescone]

6 hours ago, Bohemian said:

Even better if he didn't get up..

Was reading the thread it was posted on twitter.. apparently he was abusing some elderly black women amongst others on a bus, someone alerted Antifa group in the area, he was followed and this is the end result...

Its Twitter so ya know, pinch of salt and all that ha.

Is there a special Antifa signal? Like the batphone or the bat searchlight?

[Silvio Tattiescone]

The number of clinically obese American cops is insane. No wonder they just shoot people, they couldn't be expected to chase them. 

[Benjamin_Nevis]

7 minutes ago, SweeperDee said:

I doubt it tbf, Derek Chauvin’s murder charge has been bumped up to 2nd degree from 3rd.

Bit of a quandary for the authorities in Minnesota. If Chauvin is (rightly) found guilty, you're going to have the same vermin white supremacists who were carrying torches in Charlottesville protesting and probably turning up at town halls with rifles again. Anything short of a murder conviction/fucking long sentence and cities will burn. 

Edited June 4, 2020 by Day of the Lords

[effeffsee_the2nd]

18 minutes ago, SweeperDee said:

I doubt it tbf, Derek Chauvin’s murder charge has been bumped up to 2nd degree from 3rd.

Surely the evidence against them is pretty damming, at least for Chauvin's ? I mean the whole thing is on video . perhaps his lawyer will recommend him to take a plea deal and avoid  A going to jail for 25+ years & B any more attention being drawn to him as even when he gets out his life will never ever be normal.

can't see how it will work standing up in court and trying to justify such force against a man who was not accused of a violent offence , I saw the footage of him being arrested and taken to the police car . I recon it could turn out that Floyd had said something Chauvin didn't like ( he might have also had a few beers going by the way he was walking towards to car , but he certainly wasn't out of it steaming )  on the walk over to the car to which Chauvin has went fucking mental at and started giving him a doing to which he " resisted" . this will either be on their bodycam or they will have turned them off. in either case the evidence isjust stacked against them  incl the others who stood and done f**k all, it might turn out that Chauvin is the station bully that no one stands up to, who knows . but I just can't see him in particular getting off, perhaps the others might avoid jail but not a criminal record

Edited June 4, 2020 by effeffsee_the2nd

[Silvio Tattiescone]

8 minutes ago, MixuFruit said:

I mean the head of the police union in Minneapolis is an open white supremacist so that's hardly any different to the status quo is it?

Seems to me that the police in America need to be deba'athified, which I'm sure Joe Biden will push for seriousl-ahahahahaha sorry I can't finish that sentence.

I thought Biden was a bumbling nobody but I was quite impressed with this  (don't know where I saw it, apologies if it was here and I'm re-posting)

 

 

[SweeperDee]

Surely the evidence against them is pretty damming, at least for Chauvin's ? I mean the whole thing is on video . perhaps his lawyer will recommend him to take a plea deal and avoid  A going to jail for 25+ years & B any more attention being drawn to him as even when he gets out his life will never ever be normal.
can't see how it will work standing up in court and trying to justify such force against a man who was not accused of a violent offence , I saw the footage of him being arrested and taken to the police car . I recon it could turn out that Floyd had said something Chauvin didn't like ( he might have also had a few beers going by the way he was walking towards to car , but he certainly wasn't out of it steaming )  on the walk over to the car to which Chauvin has went fucking mental at and started giving him a doing to which he " resisted" . this will either be on their bodycam or they will have turned them off. in either case the evidence isjust stacked against them  incl the others who stood and done f**k all, it might turn out that Chauvin is the station bully that no one stands up to, who knows . but I just can't see him in particular getting off, perhaps the others might avoid jail but not a criminal record

2nd degree murder has a maximum of 40 years, if he’s doing any sort of plea deal it’ll be a minimum of 20 he’s doing if he’s found guilty I reckon.

[coprolite]

6 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Surely the evidence against them is pretty damming, at least for Chauvin's ? I mean the whole thing is on video . perhaps his lawyer will recommend him to take a plea deal and avoid  A going to jail for 25+ years & B any more attention being drawn to him as even when he gets out his life will never ever be normal.

can't see how it will work standing up in court and trying to justify such force against a man who was not accused of a violent offence , I saw the footage of him being arrested and taken to the police car . I recon it could turn out that Floyd had said something Chauvin didn't like ( he might have also had a few beers going by the way he was walking towards to car , but he certainly wasn't out of it steaming )  on the walk over to the car to which Chauvin has went fucking mental at and started giving him a doing to which he " resisted" . this will either be on their bodycam or they will have turned them off. in either case the evidence isjust stacked against them  incl the others who stood and done f**k all, it might turn out that Chauvin is the station bully that no one stands up to, who knows . but I just can't see him in particular getting off, perhaps the others might avoid jail but not a criminal record

All they need is for a couple of plod's mates to swear they heard the boy saying "allah u akbar" and the cop will get let off and given a medal. 

[Benjamin_Nevis]

7 minutes ago, SweeperDee said:

 

2nd degree murder has a maximum of 40 years, if he’s doing any sort of plea deal it’ll be a minimum of 20 he’s doing if he’s found guilty I reckon.

 

Probably aye, but i strongly suspect it'll be served by way of a couple of years in a state prison (very well protected) then he'll be transferred to the equivalent of an open prison, and probably paroled after 10-15 years tops. No way will the authorities risk a cop (even a convicted, fired one) being killed in a penitentiary. 

[NotThePars]

You would hope the incontrovertible proof he casually murdered a man on camera would be enough and with the reporting that his wife immediately left him when he entered custody might be enough to establish a pattern of being a psycho or whatever but there’s been multiple cases where officers are caught bang to rights murdering people with zero justification and getting off with it by playing on an apparent understandable level of fear the officers take with them on to their duties.

 

The Daniel Shaver murder was especially grim given he was shot on the floor while allegedly trying to comply with officers and the guy that shot him was acquitted and retired with a cushy pension.

 

[Dee Man]

34 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Surely the evidence against them is pretty damming, at least for Chauvin's ? I mean the whole thing is on video . perhaps his lawyer will recommend him to take a plea deal and avoid  A going to jail for 25+ years & B any more attention being drawn to him as even when he gets out his life will never ever be normal.

can't see how it will work standing up in court and trying to justify such force against a man who was not accused of a violent offence , I saw the footage of him being arrested and taken to the police car . I recon it could turn out that Floyd had said something Chauvin didn't like ( he might have also had a few beers going by the way he was walking towards to car , but he certainly wasn't out of it steaming )  on the walk over to the car to which Chauvin has went fucking mental at and started giving him a doing to which he " resisted" . this will either be on their bodycam or they will have turned them off. in either case the evidence isjust stacked against them  incl the others who stood and done f**k all, it might turn out that Chauvin is the station bully that no one stands up to, who knows . but I just can't see him in particular getting off, perhaps the others might avoid jail but not a criminal record

If he's the station bully then the other cops in there ought to be ashamed of themselves - he has the skinniest arms I've ever seen. 

[AsimButtHitsASix]

I doubt he'll be convicted. "Beyond reasonable doubt" - they need to prove that he intentionally tried to kill the guy if its 2nd degree murder. The lawyers the police union use to defend their boys in blue are experts at doing this line of defence

[MuckleMoo]

You would hope the incontrovertible proof he casually murdered a man on camera would be enough and with the reporting that his wife immediately left him when he entered custody might be enough to establish a pattern of being a psycho or whatever but there’s been multiple cases where officers are caught bang to rights murdering people with zero justification and getting off with it by playing on an apparent understandable level of fear the officers take with them on to their duties.
 
The Daniel Shaver murder was especially grim given he was shot on the floor while allegedly trying to comply with officers and the guy that shot him was acquitted and retired with a cushy pension.
 

I agree with you to an extent, however shooting someone in the heat of the moment could be successfully argued in court as being the actions of someone under duress, fearful for there lives or some other bullshit

Choking someone for 10 minutes who is clearly no threat to the arresting officer is a different scenario altogether. I honestly can't think of any argument or justification that would return an acquittal. This is America we're dealing with though so yeah, acquittal it is.

[Gordon EF]

1 minute ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

I doubt he'll be convicted. "Beyond reasonable doubt" - they need to prove that he intentionally tried to kill the guy if its 2nd degree murder. The lawyers the police union use to defend their boys in blue are experts at doing this line of defence

That's my worry. 3rd seemed a slam dunk. 2nd opens that door of doubt. I've seen some morons pushing for 1st degree, not realising that would virtually guarantee him walking.

[D.A.F.C]

They should convict them all of murder or assisted then in a few years review it.
If they let any of them walk it will all kick off again. Set an example and make sure the police know that they wont be getting away with their nonsense anymore.
No decent person would stand and watch what happened to this guy. f**k the lot of them.
Theres a bigger issue than racism as well, the hatred, cruelty and disregard for other people is unfortunately just human nature it seems. Can it ever be changed? Humans are p***ks.

[Wee-Bey]

43 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said:

I thought Biden was a bumbling nobody but I was quite impressed with this  (don't know where I saw it, apologies if it was here and I'm re-posting)

 

 

As impressive as he is here, this video is over 30 years old. Both he and the world have changed.

It's a bit like watching a rerun of Aberdeen winning the Cup Winners Cup, very impressive, but you wouldn't back them to go out and pump Real Madrid again tomorrow.