Gordon EF Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Don't know what you're talking about. It looks beautiful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SweeperDee Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Don't know what you're talking about. It looks beautiful. Fwiw that could literally be Bradford, as it’s the only place I’ve seen a horse tied up in a schemey area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herman Hessian Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, magic sign said: I rarely post on here, but this post. Wow just wow. I don't pretend to have the answer you seek, but suggest listening to this for a starting point. https://amp.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/matt-frei/blck-lives-matter-how-individuals-can-fight-racism/?__twitter_impression=true current debate notwithstanding - have a greenie for your avatar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, SweeperDee said: Middlesbrough, and Teeside at large is one of the most miserable, backwards holes I’ve had the misfortune of spending more than a day in. Fucking bleak hellscape with locals who are your typical, idiotic, racist pieces of shite. I am assured by my pals from Teesside that I will be racist too once the problems they face move up to Scotland. They represent a real life conundrum though. The type that exists outwith a web forum. One of them In particular is Simultaneously the most cliche, gammon, Little Englander I have ever known, yet one of the nicest most helpful guys I have ever known. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Shit's getting real. https://thehardtimes.net/culture/village-people-kick-out-police-officer/?fbclid=IwAR01QHMdeV8fxHovv6Xm1ZSc8wugu25tS3Bmlz4apcg1T4-QmZWtrDt0Ro8 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RH33 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, SweeperDee said: Fwiw that could literally be Bradford, as it’s the only place I’ve seen a horse tied up in a schemey area. There was a horse called Elvis that used to live in a garden in Ferguslie! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eindhovendee Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 26 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: I had to go through it on a train that had been diverted. The announcer said the usual next stop will be Middlesbrough. The train stopped at what I thought was a derelict station, obviously an old one, the new one will be just ahead, but no. That was it, derelict. Then it left and I was relieved I was heading to Bradford. Derelict and worse than Bradford. A train through Middlesbrough then to Bradford? Bet Michael Portillo wasn't on the fucker. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 5 hours ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: Something that slightly grates with me is people moaning about 'they should teach kids about this in schools' and its close cousin 'they don't teach any Scottish history in schools, it's 1066 then straight to the war'. I left school over a decade ago and pretty sure this was covered, along with loads of other Scottish, UK and world history. For a subject that is only compulsory for 2 years they do alright. You can cover racism in other areas as well - reading Othello in English was a formative experience for me for example. Schools/putting something in the curriculum are a small part of the issue imo - the main problem is that Britain at large hasn't really ever accepted that the empire was a bad thing. It doesn't really matter that much what you study in your hour of history a week between 13 and 15 if that doesn't change imo. I half agree with this. Racial issues aren’t necessarily purely historical. It’s very much - or at least was - part of Modern Studies, too. I would disagree that there isn’t an acceptance of the flaws of the empire. Even Michael Portillo on his train show goes around letting locals talk about the injustices (and, for want of a better word, legacy) of the empire. I really think it’s only the UKIP/Britain First/far right of the Tories who refuse to accept it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: I half agree with this. Racial issues aren’t necessarily purely historical. It’s very much - or at least was - part of Modern Studies, too. I would disagree that there isn’t an acceptance of the flaws of the empire. Even Michael Portillo on his train show goes around letting locals talk about the injustices (and, for want of a better word, legacy) of the empire. I really think it’s only the UKIP/Britain First/far right of the Tories who refuse to accept it. The bigger problem is that the majority of the public appear to view it as broadly a force for good in history. That's a clear failure of education. In fairness, it would've been even worse if Gove had got his way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bohemian Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 (edited) Did anyone catch that racist attack in Co.Cork Ireland the weekend? One of the most horrific things I've ever seen, had to turn off after a few seconds... The difference here was it was a gang of black lads slicing up a white kid and stabbing him multiple times while his girlfriend tried to hold them off.. lad recording it laughing and egging him on... honestly one of the most horrific things I've seen.. Edited June 8, 2020 by Bohemian 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: I half agree with this. Racial issues aren’t necessarily purely historical. It’s very much - or at least was - part of Modern Studies, too. I would disagree that there isn’t an acceptance of the flaws of the empire. Even Michael Portillo on his train show goes around letting locals talk about the injustices (and, for want of a better word, legacy) of the empire. I really think it’s only the UKIP/Britain First/far right of the Tories who refuse to accept it. I've no real experience of the UKIP/British First brigade but am firmly the middle-England Tory camp and don't know anyone who regards Empire as anything more than a very mixed bag. I'd go further and say that the scion of middle England Tories like me are in the van of trying to right historic wrongs and certainly my three would be of the iconoclastic 'pull down the statues' mindset. More worrying are the Scots who have never come to terms with their colonial past. While England paddled up to its ankles in Empire we Scots were up to our knees in conquest and slavery and, since 1707, built our country around it. The blood on the butchers' apron was, pound for pound, more likely to be let by Scots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Part 1 done. Now you just have to disingenuously link it to the Yes movement. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, NotThePars said: The bigger problem is that the majority of the public appear to view it as broadly a force for good in history. That's a clear failure of education. In fairness, it would've been even worse if Gove had got his way. Without going into the rights and wrongs, simply because it did some right and it did some wrong, but ask the people of Hong Kong, or Singapore, or a few other places with shee-ite neighbours if the Empire was evil. Democracy, a bad thing? And yes, I am aware of the bad things the British Empire did but I think it is more complex than evil...or good. Personally, in the life of this planet, I believe the British Empire was a force for good....if you compare to what if it never existed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Mr Waldo said: Without going into the rights and wrongs, simply because it did some right and it did some wrong, but ask the people of Hong Kong, or Singapore, or a few other places with shee-ite neighbours if the Empire was evil. Democracy, a bad thing? And yes, I am aware of the bad things the British Empire did but I think it is more complex than evil...or good. Personally, in the life of this planet, I believe the British Empire was a force for good....if you compare to what if it never existed. 32 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: I half agree with this. Racial issues aren’t necessarily purely historical. It’s very much - or at least was - part of Modern Studies, too. I would disagree that there isn’t an acceptance of the flaws of the empire. Even Michael Portillo on his train show goes around letting locals talk about the injustices (and, for want of a better word, legacy) of the empire. I really think it’s only the UKIP/Britain First/far right of the Tories who refuse to accept it. See what I mean 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Just now, NotThePars said: See what I mean No. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 I have seen quite a few posts about Slavery being taught in schools. It is in Scotland. Maybe not as well as I can be but it is being taught. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Mr Waldo said: Without going into the rights and wrongs, simply because it did some right and it did some wrong, but ask the people of Hong Kong, or Singapore, or a few other places with shee-ite neighbours if the Empire was evil. Democracy, a bad thing? And yes, I am aware of the bad things the British Empire did but I think it is more complex than evil...or good. Personally, in the life of this planet, I believe the British Empire was a force for good....if you compare to what if it never existed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, 101 said: I have seen quite a few posts about Slavery being taught in schools. It is in Scotland. Maybe not as well as I can be but it is being taught. Children I know are taught about the slave trade but they are not really taught about the Arab slave trade, or the African slave trade, or the South American slave trade. Or the fact that,according to some reliable sources, their are more slaves today than in the 19th centuary? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said: As usual, selective quotes - was a force for good ..compared to what would have happened if it never existed is what I said. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Mr Waldo said: As usual, selective quotes - was a force for good ..compared to what would have happened if it never existed is what I said. It was an unfortunate choice of phrase. Anyway, tell us what would have happened if it had never existed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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