George Floyd/Black Lives Matter Protests

[coprolite]

29 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said:

I think many people who believe themselves to be 'left wing' are anything but tolerant. They're modern day puritans who police what people say and get hysterical if certain views are aired publicly. 

I have many 'left wing' views - I believe in the regulation of the economy, and a decent welfare state and free health care. But I'm also a 'fascist' as I think mass-immigration has been bad and I believe in people's unfettered right to articulate their political views (free speech).

Whilst I believe the cop in the video has every right to be presumed innocent, and that he should be able to walk the streets unmolested, I live in the real world. Is there a better time to be in his position than right now when people are actually being encouraged to wear masks?

Do you not support the right of the woman behind the camera to articulate her views in an unfettered manner? 

[Sinner-to-Saint]

13 minutes ago, coprolite said:

Do you not support the right of the woman behind the camera to articulate her views in an unfettered manner? 

I do. There's a line between free speech and harassment, though. She had the right to tell him what she thought of him, but she was also filming him and followed him around. I found it uncomfortable viewing probably because I think she was trying to incite a mob rather than trying to exercise her right to freedom of speech.  

[Sinner-to-Saint]

24 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

Complaining about mass immigration when you live in Scotland is the clearest sign you spend too much time online immersed in the culture wars.

I live and work in Glasgow and have watched the demographics change very quickly, and unabated it's pretty obvious it will continue to change over the next decade or two, as will Glasgow's character and identity, IMHO. I'm all for a certain amount of diversity, but I genuinely do not feel that mass-immigration benefits me or the city as a whole. That's a debate for another time and place, though.

I'm off to watch Lord of War! 

[coprolite]

3 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said:

I do. There's a line between free speech and harassment, though. She had the right to tell him what she thought of him, but she was also filming him and followed him around. I found it uncomfortable viewing probably because I think she was trying to incite a mob rather than trying to exercise her right to freedom of speech.  

There's not a line between free speech and harassment. If you want to prevent harassment you have to fetter free speech.  If you want free speech unfettered you have to accept harassment and bigotry. 

[The OP]

3 hours ago, Del79 said:

The funny thing is that there were Africans here probably before their ancestors arrived and settled. https://www.history.co.uk/article/the-history-of-black-britain-roman-africans#:~:text=Although a gradual process%2C the,the Roman Empire was multicultural.

No the funny thing is that half of them are making bigoted jibes about absentee fathers yet adore Boris Johnson.

[The OP]

13 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said:

I live and work in Glasgow and have watched the demographics change very quickly, and unabated it's pretty obvious it will continue to change over the next decade or two, as will Glasgow's character and identity, IMHO. I'm all for a certain amount of diversity, but I genuinely do not feel that mass-immigration benefits me or the city as a whole. That's a debate for another time and place, though.

I'm off to watch Lord of War! 

It all started to go downhill when they let the Irish and the teuchters in.

[Wee-Bey]

Glasgow is clearly on the verge of sharia law with it's *checks notes* 5% muslim population.

[Tutankhamen]

42 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said:

I live and work in Glasgow and have watched the demographics change very quickly, and unabated it's pretty obvious it will continue to change over the next decade or two, as will Glasgow's character and identity, IMHO. I'm all for a certain amount of diversity, but I genuinely do not feel that mass-immigration benefits me or the city as a whole. That's a debate for another time and place, though.

I'm off to watch Lord of War! 

Must be a wind up.

 

[coprolite]

4 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

Glasgow is clearly on the verge of sharia law with it's *checks notes* 5% muslim population.

We shouldn't have any middle eastern religions in britain. 

[Dunfermline Don]

We shouldn't have any middle eastern religions in britain. 

Church of Scotland and Roman Catholic’s may disagree with that,not to mention Judaism and Islam.
Back to the Druids it is then! [emoji848]

[tamthebam]

2 minutes ago, Dunfermline Don said:

Church of Scotland and Roman Catholic’s may disagree with that,not to mention Judaism and Islam.
Back to the Druids it is then!

I'm reminded of the old meme:

Jesus promised world peace

Buddha promised world peace

Odin promised he'd get rid of all the Ice Giants.

(Picture of smug Viking) I DON'T SEE ANY ICE GIANTS

[coprolite]

1 minute ago, Dunfermline Don said:

Church of Scotland and Roman Catholic’s may disagree with that,not to mention Judaism and Islam.
Back to the Druids it is then!

I don't think they would. 

[Arch Stanton]

On 21/06/2020 at 23:03, ICTChris said:

Pete Sutcliffe was lying when he said God told him to murder prostitutes.

WTF is this pish? An attempt at irony or humour or empathy?

[Ralstonite]

1 hour ago, Dunfermline Don said:

Church of Scotland and Roman Catholic’s may disagree with that,not to mention Judaism and Islam.
Back to the Druids it is then!

I think that was his point... 

[Theroadlesstravelled]

3 hours ago, Sinner-to-Saint said:

I live and work in Glasgow and have watched the demographics change very quickly, and unabated it's pretty obvious it will continue to change over the next decade or two, as will Glasgow's character and identity, IMHO. I'm all for a certain amount of diversity, but I genuinely do not feel that mass-immigration benefits me or the city as a whole. That's a debate for another time and place, though.

I'm off to watch Lord of War! 

Breeding out the many neds and the hate filled gimp Celtic and Rangers supporters is a good thing.

 

[Detournement]

It'll be interesting to see who paid for the Burnley White Lives Matter banner.

Whoever it is got their money's worth anyway as Piers Morgan, Gary Lineker etc are doing their work for them. There are millions of British people who will see the reaction to that banner as a message that George Floyd's death matters more than the three white men killed in Reading. 

[SlipperyP]

On 22/06/2020 at 05:25, tamthebam said:

I remember when Mark Walters signed for Rangers and the Scottish press were full of articles about how Souness had signed the first black player to play in the Scottish League in modern times, this was progress etc  

Which totally ignored the fact that Vic Kasule had played for Albion Rovers and Meadowbank Thistle for a number of seasons prior to Walters arrival. Vic was no angel of course but he did get subject to racial abuse at quite a few grounds, mostly in the West of Scotland (one club where you heard no racist chants whatsoever was Forfar Athletic whom the uninformed might have supposed was full of ignorant inbred teuchters. Good guys the Loons). Given what had gone before it was a surprise to me for example when Airdrie signed Gus Caesar and Justin Fashanu and other clubs whose fans had less than spotless reputations were to sign black players themselves over the next few decades. 

The excerpt I posted above mentioned St Mirren. A few years after they signed Steve Galloway (who is black) on loan and he played in a defeat to Hibs at Easter Road. I can remember when he was substituted he got applause from both sets of fans for playing well.

 

I have never heard/seen any racism or sectarian at Station Park from a home supporter.  I'm sure there has been at some time, but never in my presence.  We are too busy arguing among ourselves to take any notice what is happening on the pitch.

[pandarilla]

It'll be interesting to see who paid for the Burnley White Lives Matter banner.
Whoever it is got their money's worth anyway as Piers Morgan, Gary Lineker etc are doing their work for them. There are millions of British people who will see the reaction to that banner as a message that George Floyd's death matters more than the three white men killed in Reading. 

Anyone making that comparison is an idiot, though.

The reading attacks were carried out by a guy on his own who decided he wanted to go and stab people.

The blm protests relate to overwhelming evidence of racism in America's police forces. It's a campaign that's spread around the world due to the everyday racism that black people suffer in other countries, including this one.

[Detournement]

6 minutes ago, pandarilla said:

Anyone making that comparison is an idiot, though.

The reading attacks were carried out by a guy on his own who decided he wanted to go and stab people.

The blm protests relate to overwhelming evidence of racism in America's police forces. It's a campaign that's spread around the world due to the everyday racism that black people suffer in other countries, including this one.

The vast majority of people in the UK understandably don't think a great deal about police violence in the USA any more than they think about police violence in Egypt or India. 

To understand why Black Lives Matters isn't exclusionary and White Lives Matters should be avoided requires contextual knowledge that British voters largely don't have. Celebrities using racial discourse they have picked up from American Twitter to scold white people in the UK is only going to increase reactionary tendencies. 

[Guest Bob Mahelp]

41 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It'll be interesting to see who paid for the Burnley White Lives Matter banner.

Whoever it is got their money's worth anyway as Piers Morgan, Gary Lineker etc are doing their work for them. There are millions of British people who will see the reaction to that banner as a message that George Floyd's death matters more than the three white men killed in Reading. 

https://heavy.com/sports/2020/06/jake-hepple/

The company that he work(ed)s for is named in the article. I'm pretty sure Jake's arse won't be touching the ground this morning. 

Edited June 23, 2020 by Bob Mahelp